NSW Fly Batemans Bay

[Tony Z]

From a pesonal viewpoint i think that the Fly should be open slather as long as it does not impeed on other competitors or hold up proceedings. But before anyone runs off on a tangent about scopes and cameras and electronic wind flags etc, the most important thing of all is so often overlooked by so many. If you haven't got a great rifle, any accessories you care to use will not be condusive to a winning score. The reality within this country is that there are so few truely great rifles in either the LG or HG classes. It is obvious to me that Murray Hicks' Hartbreaker is just such a rifle and if he had a Nikko on it, he still would have won.
It is very easy to look at this thread and hear about this meeting down in Canberra and think that those that are controlling the deal are the elitists of the sport with some sort of vested interest. It may be true, but i think it is more about knowing what it takes to run, organize and sponsor these matches. If you have an isue with the way things are run, get your home range going, run a few matches, get the sponsorship and the rest. Then after a couple of years see if you still have the same outlook. I doubt you will and if you look at the names at the post up above of who is where, you will see a bunch of people that do a lot outside of the actual shooting day so that when you turn up things run smoothly and you walk home with a prize from one of the many sponsors.

[Steve 2141]

[/quote]I think the whole concept of allowing shooters to 'vote' was utter bullshit. I believe that the old heads had already got together and that it was a foregone conclusion. [quote]


Dangerous words, we don’t want to go down the road of allowing a select few making decisions for the majority A committee has been formed and It’s members will submit a proposal to their state delegates for resolution at their relevant state AGM. I believe Rob did the right thing, it’s a delegates’ responsibility to inform those he represents, so a collective decision can be made and ratified, that way he is representing the majority.

I am opposed to the use of target cams in any way at all during a competition, including the warm up target and the possibility of letting non competing spectators view the image as well, it will create an additional headache for the organizers and be hard to police, they shouldn’t be allowed on the range during a competitive shoot.

We must try to restrain the cost of being competitive in this discipline, new shooters would see the usage of target cams etc and think "why bother", at least expensive scopes can be used for varminting or other disciplines. Maybe a production rifle class?


Cheers

[Rinso]

I normally don't bother with this forum but a few people have told me about this. I have to say Sean, I think your comments here seem to be directed at me and they are way out of line. They are not accurate and you should know that too. You seem to suggest that I had something to do with the arrangement of the meeting in Canberra about target cams with a decision so as to possibly "impede sales of March scopes" etc.
I had nothing to do with arranging that meeting. I knew nothing about it till a couple of hours beforehand. It was John Rawson and others who had that idea of a meeting. When the issue about target cams came up in the meeting I listened with interest and towards the end made some comments that I personally have no view one way or the other on target cams. There were many people at the meeting that can bear witness to this and some of them would also be watching on this forum.
It also shows a lack of respect IMO to Nightforce being one of the sponsors of the event.


Stuart Elliott

Stuart,
I read your comments and can see exactly why you made them. I with many others was at the meeting and I will state that you made no comment of note regards target cams as you stated and certainly there was no suggestion at any time of some sort of marketing issue behind the rules. As for the rules the meeting and the way things are headed .. IMHO its all inevitable and the introduction of the Fly rules into the SSAA BR rule book is a benefit to all despite some minor teething issues which should be expected. It is unfortunate that the NSW match will be defferred this year but if it means that the Fly can grow then its for the best.
As for Sean this is typical of the sort of nonsense he comes out with .. a sort of semi directed paranoia which probably explains the tin foil hat he wears ... his comments are not reflective of the Fly shooting community as you would know, nor do most pay much attention to those comments .. its a bit like my old man told me 'dont encourage fools, they will only drag you down to their level and beat you with experience"
With some luck and good management we can move forward from here and maintain the Fly shoot as a premier event.

[trevort]

its funny, a target cam cost $2500 or a nightforce about $1600, but banning target cams disadvantages those that cant afford a March or a Nightforce...WTF as the teenagers would say.

Stuart, just ignore him, his antics are well known, here's an example

http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/news/n ... 1114002791


But I regret the way you say you dont bother with us, it sounded like we werent worthy?

[BRT]

Thanks Rinso. Totally agree. It is now up to all shooters who have an interest in the Fly shoots (centrefire and Rimfire) to get involved and make sure the events continue and progress. Don't sit and shoot a rear guard war. Get out and help organise matches or get involved with the committee structure within SSAA disciplines (Benchrest now). It may not be easy but develop a passion and see it happen. It will be a different world for a while till all parties feel their way but if you are dedicated make sure you are part of the solution, not the problem. Other shooters need to respect and support those who hold their hand up (so to speak).

Good luck to all. Make sure it happens. Annie and I naturally want to see it all progress and continue as we want to shoot also. But we will not be further involved in the Fly or other Benchrest events at an organisation level in the future as of June this year for various reasons. Mainly because we are too busy with our own lives for a change. 30 or more years of various committees etc needs a change.

Thanks,
Stuart

[BRT]

But I regret the way you say you dont bother with us, it sounded like we werent worthy?

Trevort,
No that's not what I meant. It was that I am over all the personal nasty crap that just keeps destroying our sport. Me getting involved and posting previously on this forum just stirred it up more and more. Some people just like to attack me. Having it happen on a public forum in the end just hurts the sport. Not much progressive stuff happened, just regressive so I have more than enough positive things to do elsewhere so I do.

I do get stirred up most when people accuse me of doing certain things in an organisational manner to benefit me personally or our businesses. That is nasty and certainly not true. For 30 years we have done an enormous amount of voluntary work just like many others have done. Never got paid for it and I never asked, nor ever expected to. In fact often it has hurt our personal and family life and our business life sad to say. Even before we had shooting related businesses too. I don't complain about those 'costs' but I do get sensitive when people accuse me of doing it for our own benefit when that certainly is not true.
Not only does that hurt us personally but also everyone else as a volunteer because they can see they may be the next to 'be accused'.

Like all forums I guess, there is good and bad.

Stuart

[trevort]

Thanks for clearing that up. You can tell by my post count that this is my cyber home, the vast majority on here are good blokes and I have made real friends here, though arguing about politics and rules in organised shooting sports seems to be one of the more regular flashpoints.

Anyway, I was the bloke in the toilets who congratulated you on the BR world championships!!!!

[BRT]

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Anyway, I was the bloke in the toilets who congratulated you on the BR world championships!!!!

Ha, ha, yes, very good
Thanks. I really like that phrase, can I quote it?

Stuart

[tiger]

Geez it's annoying to see somebody sledging people he barely knows and certainly doesn't understand their contribution to the sport!

Stuart, good to see you here, unfortunately it's sad that you're on here because of this shit.

GOD I wish the Scope read wind, loaded ammo, managed bag technique and a plethora of other things which contribute to a winning performance! I'd have a March alongside my Nightforce and who could keep up with me!!!! Just think STEREO!!!

As we all know, it's the nut behind the Butt, and practice, practice, practice...

I missed the meeting, wasn't particularly happy about it mind you, I was off doing something to organise for
Saturday and didn't know WHEN it was happening, I was told Friday NIGHT, a few from Canberra missed it because we were busy.

I reckon Target Cams will happen eventually, but I reckon I need to invest in a set of flags before a target cam.

As the lack of a rulebook isn't really affecting ACT I am not overly concerned with that, we can continue to host the Federal and Pro-Cal events without the rulebook being ratified, I hope the issue is resolved quickly though so that others can continue to host the Fly elsewhere.

Anyway people, who's an Access Guru? Let's do something CONSTRUCTIVE and come up with a scoring system which makes it easier for us to run a 10 target event and finish at a decent hour!!!

Dave Groves.

[steven]

Bring on the target cams...cant wait to see who gets theirs blown into little pieces first...anyone who's serious about Fly shooting and using a target cam is a softcock and should try some other form of shooting where they already use them...leave the Fly alone!!!!!!!!

Hardcock Steve

[Tony Z]

"GOD I wish the Scope read wind"

That may not be that far away. They are already in use now with serving snipers where the technology used has been around for quite a while in tank warfare. Only a matter of time and will make wind flags obsolete. Sort of makes sense when one keeps hearing of theses 2+K shots on some poor Arab.
US Optics from memory?????