NSW Fly Batemans Bay

[Rinso]

The NSW FLY Shoot for 2010 has been at this stage cancelled due to issues with the passing of the rules as discussed at Canberra after the Federal Cup. Also as a result of the requirement for the slash plates to be swinging not fixed and some issues with the range template (ie no rifles with more energy than a 308)

Whilst the Batemans Bay club would love to host the match it is not likely at this time.

Any enquiries forward and I will answer as best I can.

[GJS]

Bugger

[Matt P]

Rinso
The rules in question are they match rules (I hope not there are only ten and seem to have worked for 20 yrs) or range rules causing the problem ?????
I hope it's the later, I'd hate see "rule changes" cause a shitfight like some "other disipline"

Matt P

[malcolm]

BUGGER---- there aren't Fly shoots now---- let alone cancelling Bateman's Bay.
If all else fails -- let's organise a working bee ( to help with the plates ) and shoot 308's. My nephew just had a corker built up by Shane.
Cheers Malcolm

[Rinso]

Matt,
The Fly is about to have an offical rule book under the SSAA. The rules were discussed with shooters after the Federal Cup last March. There are no real changes that I am aware of and I, like you hope it doesn't degenerate like some other events have, mores the pity on that one as I thought it had some great things to offer.

Mal,
I am sure that the Bay would appreciate the help but they cant hold the shoot until the rules are ratified by SSAA and then by the NSW Police range co ordinator ... unlikely to happen before June me thinks.

[bowhunter]

Great, huh. Had to formalise the rules of the fly shoot. That was done in March this year and already there's one less fly shoot.
There wasn't that many to begin with. Any chance of Tamworth holding the shoot instead.
cheers
bowhunter

[Tony Z]

I think the best thing that has come out of this whole storm in a tea cup is that those responsible for it have been universally seen for what they really are. Be wary of Greeks bearing gifts, and those wearing matching shirts But you all already knew that.

Loose Cannon Bodine.

[Curtley78]

G'day Dave,

How often do the ranges need be approved by NSW Police?

Tony, perhaps it is more appropriate that we be wary of Greenies bearing gifts....?

Regards

Sean

[chappo555]

Was I at the same meeting after the federal cup???

OK, The Fed Cup was my first fly so I am a new comer to this fly stuff, but I dont remember anything about calibres etc being discussed. The rules as printed on the fly target were spoken of and formalising the shoot with the SSAA which apparently involved the target design owners giving up their rights to the target etc.

I dont understand why anything that was discussed at the Fed Cup has had such an impact on rifle ranges.

If you operate YOUR range within your approved NSW FAR template ie (calibre/fields of fire/controls etc) what is the problem. Whether or not the fly shoot is ratified by the SSAA really doesnt mean anything as far as an individual shoot is concerned but obviously no points towards a fly shooter of the year or whatever else the SSAA comes up with.

I did slip out somewhere during the FED CUP discussion as my beer was empty so if I missed something please explain it to me (dont flame me) and how it affects a valid and approved range from running a fly shoot (or any other shoot) that complies with its FAR requirements for that range.

Cheers
Chappo555

PS - If its the ownership of the target I still have a problem with that as any range that has lawfully purchased its targets should be able to use them.

[trevort]

Was I at the same meeting after the federal cup???

OK, The Fed Cup was my first fly so I am a new comer to this fly stuff, but I dont remember anything about calibres etc being discussed. The rules as printed on the fly target were spoken of and formalising the shoot with the SSAA which apparently involved the target design owners giving up their rights to the target etc.

I dont understand why anything that was discussed at the Fed Cup has had such an impact on rifle ranges.

If you operate YOUR range within your approved NSW FAR template ie (calibre/fields of fire/controls etc) what is the problem. Whether or not the fly shoot is ratified by the SSAA really doesnt mean anything as far as an individual shoot is concerned but obviously no points towards a fly shooter of the year or whatever else the SSAA comes up with.

I did slip out somewhere during the FED CUP discussion as my beer was empty so if I missed something please explain it to me (dont flame me) and how it affects a valid and approved range from running a fly shoot (or any other shoot) that complies with its FAR requirements for that range.

Cheers
Chappo555

PS - If its the ownership of the target I still have a problem with that as any range that has lawfully purchased its targets should be able to use them.

Good post. I was there too and farked if can think of what was said that could have stopped a shoot

[malcolm]

I definately remember hearing "nothing will change, we are just signing over the rights to the target"
Malcolm

[Rinso]

chappo,
Yes you were at the same meeting as the rest of us and no as I mentioned earlier there are no major changes to the rules. However FAR can and will act as they see fit .. in this case they want the rules so they can satisfy themselves that all is ok, not unreasonable really. The SSAA have as yet not produced or ratified the rules as discussed to my knowledge which makes meeting the FAR's request a bit difficult doesn't it.
As for the range template that is an issue not related directly to the rules but has come under scrutiny due to the rules debate in the first place, Batemans Bay is only templated to the NATO 7.62 standard which means nothing with more energy than a 308.
The issue of swingers instead of fixed splash plates is also an unrelated issue but has come up because of the scrutiny regarding the rules.
So while in essence the rules are not the single contributing factor they also are. Consider that this range has run the Fly shoot for 15 years without issue, now everything is an issue and its all been generated by the rules debate which started in Queensland about 2 years ago.
As the old saying goes "if it aint broke" or "dont poke the bear" or "ignorance is bliss" but I digress .. the fact is that whilst the club would love to run the shoot all this has stirred up a hornets nest in NSW now and we wont have a NSW shoot unless another range can run it .. I have looked at the possibilites and the ranges long enough are NRAA and are unlikely to be covered by insurance for a match that is not in the SSR's so that probably out, I dont know of any other 500m SSAA range in NSW.

[trevort]

I havent been able to make it there as yet and wouldnt have again this June but more than one person has told me its a great range to shoot the fly on. Can you get them to fix all their issues befor next season, not being selfish or anything..........

[steven]

Guyra SSAA

[chappo555]

chappo,
However FAR can and will act as they see fit .. in this case they want the rules so they can satisfy themselves that all is ok, not unreasonable really. The SSAA have as yet not produced or ratified the rules as discussed to my knowledge which makes meeting the FAR's request a bit difficult doesn't it.
As for the range template that is an issue not related directly to the rules but has come under scrutiny due to the rules debate in the first place, Batemans Bay is only templated to the NATO 7.62 standard which means nothing with more energy than a 308.
The issue of swingers instead of fixed splash plates is also an unrelated issue but has come up because of the scrutiny regarding the rules.
So while in essence the rules are not the single contributing factor they also are. Consider that this range has run the Fly shoot for 15 years without issue, .

Rinso,
Mate Im not trying to be a smart arse here just trying to get my head around this, i guess you could say im a little slow.

Are you saying that the FAR wants the RULES for a FLY SHOOT. A range is templated for distance/angles/calibres. I have never heard of the FAR wanting the RULES for a specific shoot and even if they did would not the rules be as per the fly target (+/- calibre for specific ranges) as they are the rules we are playing by until the SSAA ratifies it. A fly shoot is the same as, for all FAR purposes, a Benchrest shoot isnt it just at a different target and distance??

As the host club you can make any other rules you like for any shoot at your grounds. If 308 is max then so be it. And if that is what your range is templated to that is what your shoots should have always been held to for the past 15 years or whenever you were last templated.

If splash plates are the issue then just dont have em this year, just paper if need be.

Like I said mate just trying to get my head around it all.

chappo555