Light Guns & STATS

a.JR · Post by **a.JR** » Tue May 08, 2007 11:35 am

Hi All, Just revisited the stats i did up recently with everyone's thoughts centered on recent wins with the little 6mms and more importantly Light Guns .. Although all ranges give different outcomes on different days , i personally think that a 230 score is where the line is for "top outcome in FLY ".. In the records i have available there has 29 scores posted above 230 since FLY started ..
1 for a 6mm
4 for a 6.5mm
8 for a 7mm
16 for a 30 cal
For Light Gun the score is 4 wins
and in Heavy Gun it's 25..
Big question is "will this change in the future ", light guns in the US at the 600 yd distance have been dominating .. Will this turn around in AUS..What say ya'all..JR..Jeff Rogers

Matt P · Post by **Matt P** » Tue May 08, 2007 9:42 pm

Hate to admit it but I think the HG will continue to be the dominate class mainly due to being able to send those big 30 and up bullets down range without kicking the shit out of the firer. Being able to see the bullet holes is a huge advantage, yes the smaller caliber can run with the 30's in accuracy and ballisitic effeicency BUT it can't compete with being able to see bullet holes, don't know what the conditions were like in Vic but at the ACT this year I was able to bullets holes almost all day which does help.

Matt P

Kenny · Post by **Kenny** » Wed May 09, 2007 12:42 pm

ummmm...yep...what Matt said

KY

arra · Post by **arra** » Wed May 16, 2007 10:10 pm

Just had a look at SOFY on the actbenchrest site. LG is very competive again this year

And lets face it most HG's sould beat a LG . The way my rifle jumps and bucks on the bags its a wonder I get any shots near each other.

Matt P and Kenny
Are we going to see you two at B/Bay ?

Col

Rinso · Post by **Rinso** » Thu May 17, 2007 9:36 am

arra,

Mate thats a big call

And lets face it most HG's sould beat a LG .

I never knew that shooting a HG gave you better wind reading ability.

I will have to build another one and see if it doubles my wind reading ability.

Yes the HG does not jump so much as a LG but that is why you will find the classes are divided as much by calibre as weight. The simple fact is if you want to shoot a big 7mm or 30 magnum you just won't last if you shoot it in a LG ... ooo that would be a LONG day.

The LG class is where you find calibres that you can shoot without be extremely fatigued after 3 - 4 targets.ing

These by nature tend to be the smaller calibres (308 excluded) which as Matt rightly said have the one major issue of making seeing bullet holes very difficult as conditions fall off.

I have not seen a HG built on a 6mm I believe as you just don't need to (Ackley Improved - Trevor Bent is the only LG shooter I know who is thinking of a HG in 6mm and I don't know that he ever will actually do it)

Col at the end of the day you put bullets on target because you pay attention to detail in prep (loading etc) and can read the wind .. if I added 20 lbs to your stock yes it will sit better but will your prep improve or will you pick a wind change any better

I have just built a LG in 308 (and 6x47 pending aquiring a barrel) no need forthe extra weight with these cals therefore the LG was an easy choice.

The nut behind the bolt is the biggest variable on any rifle. Keep your powder dry.

cheers
Rinso

Ackley Improved · Post by **Ackley Improved** » Thu May 17, 2007 3:16 pm

A 6mm Heavygun sounds intersting.... but I would be building one only to 22lbs so it keeps within the F Class weight limit.

The caliber I would use is 6X47L, or just for something different a 6X44 wildcat, still using the 6.5X47L brass.

After reading the stats on the 6X47L, I feel that it really only has a slight edge on a 6mmDasher however, so maybe a 6mmVias would be the ticket for making quick tomato stakes.

I really do not want to get into the 5" wide forend heavyguns, as then I will need a new rest, and gear to suit!

Rinso, MBR style laminate stock, 1.45 tapered to 1.25 at muzzle 30" long, Stiller Python action, chambered in 6mm... GO for it!

CHeers
AI

Kenny · Post by **Kenny** » Thu May 17, 2007 7:09 pm

Arra,

Nah mate I won't be at Batemans. Laziness is the main reason .lol: + a worn out tube

I am still chasing the short range stuff for a bit yet but it's fading a little lately too

I think I need a booster shot or sumthin

KY

a.JR · Post by **a.JR** » Fri May 18, 2007 8:24 am

Hey Kenny , Will ya stop being lazy if i send you my Heavy Gun to shoot Batemans , I can get it trucked to brisbane for nothing ,it weighs 120 kg with the rest and reloading gear(box is 1.5met long)..Can you get it to batemans bay??..JR..Jeff Rogers

Kenny · Post by **Kenny** » Fri May 18, 2007 9:49 am

JR.

Sure ...no problems....laziness cured

I am thinking about goin' just for sumtin' to do as there isn't much short range stuff goin on at present, will play with the 30BR 'popgun' this weekend, I have some of Karls little 118's to try out

...now if I can agg in the 0.250"s at 100 that has gotta mean 1.250" groups at 500....don't it ...

KY

Rick1970 · Post by **Rick1970** » Fri May 18, 2007 10:07 am

Hey Kenny
If you are not feelin too lazy, how about takin me out one day for a shot of a 'real' gun and give me some pointers so i can hit those bunnies way out yonder

a.JR · Post by **a.JR** » Fri May 18, 2007 10:12 am

Hi Kenny , I will be in Bris on The 27th of may weekend for thier 1K match, can leave the gun an reloading gear there.. My boy is in transport in Bris but can't get free stuff out of QLD.. You will only need 30 cartridges anyhow as the sequence is 1 only sighter and then 4 or 5 in the 10 ring each target.. All you have to do is trust the 1st sighter and then duplicate the same flags ,it's easy, mind you u will have to recalculate the drift from your 30 B R........ It will have to be back in TSV by the 19 June for our 1000yd match..JR..Jeff Rogers

Kenny wrote:JR.

Sure ...no problems....laziness cured

I am thinking about goin' just for sumtin' to do as there isn't much short range stuff goin on at present, will play with the 30BR 'popgun' this weekend, I have some of Karls little 118's to try out ...now if I can agg in the 0.250"s at 100 that has gotta mean 1.250" groups at 500....don't it ...

KY

Rinso · Post by **Rinso** » Fri May 18, 2007 3:04 pm

kenny,

Bring the 30BR down mate, Batemans Bay is downhill that should help you get the velocity up a bit. Throw in a 22 and your set.

Don't worry about aJR's HG you couldn't lift it up.

Be good to see you their

cheers
Rinso

Ackley Improved · Post by **Ackley Improved** » Fri May 18, 2007 4:58 pm

Mate

If nothings on.. and the 30br is going.. just shoot that... Can you get enough elevation at 500m? If not Rinso can hold a hold off plate for you at 500m.. just make sure you guys are on different details! HA!!

CHeers
AI

Kenny · Post by **Kenny** » Fri May 18, 2007 4:58 pm

JR....jeez I thought you was only stuffin around

I would not be game to touch it...thanks for the offer but....dang

Rinso....mate that sounds like me...a downhill racer

wtf do I need a pea rifle for...are they shooting rimfire too ??

Rick...I can't give you much advise mate as I can't hit a bull in the arse with a bag of wheat

I will be in the 'going for a shot but..are you a SSAA member ?? Next Sunday is benchrest day .22 and centrefire...interested??

KY

Kenny · Post by **Kenny** » Fri May 18, 2007 5:11 pm

AI.....elevation would be no problemo......Rinso holding the plate still might be but

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