AUST 1000yd BR Nationals??

[macca]

For me it would get down to when it is held and how many days.
Work commitments mean it's hard to grab a week anytime we are "really" flatout on the properties as opposed to the normal flatout .
I would consider a trip to Townsville if the timing fitted in.The match format would need to be well defined and I'd hope for a few days shooting rather then a one day 2 target shoot.(Sorta like your Ironman setup.)Doesn't have to be all relevant to the Nationals either if you get what I mean.Just some trigger time and a chance to yarn with the NQLDer's aye?
In Canberra one or two days is easy as its only 90 minutes away for me, but I'd think anyone from interstate would like a few days to shoot as well.
Love the idea though.
cheers,
Macca

[albow]

Hi Macca

The last couple of years of the ironman have been a practice day plus three days of comp shooting and this year it looks like we will have a practice day with four days available for competition shooting. This would provide more than enough shooting for a trip this far north

This would enable a couple of days at 1000yds and a couple at 500M. Current timing is looking like second weekend in May.

[Tony Z]

Realistically Canberra is where the Nationals should be held. Townsville is in my view unrealistic as it has not enough benches if numbers are up and geographically it is in the wrong location. A match in Townsville will not be representative of the national scene. Brisbane splits the difference but has polarized the shooters across the country to the point that few if any blind shooters would bother to turn up. Any event there would again not be representative of all the shooters across the country and would most likely not be part of any postal with Virginia. So what other ranges are there?

Bendigo is out until a whole generation dies out. Corryong? SA ranges are an enigma. Atherton in FNQ on its day would reset every record there ever was but like Townsville it is geographically wrong. Actually there are any number of ranges that could do it but it takes a group of people to get it going and that is the hard part. There is nothing that prevents it being done as it is in the SSRs.

Alternately, a recognition of the 6 match aggs on a national level may be a better option. Sort of like a SOTY but without the need to have to attend multiple ranges like that associated with the Fly. Those that wish to travel and extend their number of matches to improve their SMA should be able to but to the exclusion of these events from being calculated into their home SMAs. JR has been unofficially collating this data anyway for a number of years now so why not make it official? The question as to separating blind and marked SMAs should not be raised to any level other than noting what method was used at what match. Some will no doubt swap and change whereas others will stick to their chosen method and this should not be discriminated on, just noted for statistical reference.
This forum could be used for the match updates and to announce the final standings. Now the question of who to do the collating? It has to be someone who has no axe to grind with any of the three current clubs. So a whole bunch of us are out already. It has to be someone with lots of time on their hands, someone that no club will object to sending the match reports to and someone that can be impartial. Since Alan Neilson has put his hand up and there are no other takers, i think it is unanimous. Alan is our man . Well done Al!!!!

Jethro Bodine, Loose Cannon.

[albow]

as it has not enough benches if numbers are up and geographically it is in the wrong location.

Benches are easy to fix and knock together. One weekend and that is no longer an issue.

As far as the wrong location why can't it be a rotating location for the event each year? That way some years you have to travel others you get to stay home?

[macca]

I can see a case for both the rotating championship and the fixed champioship.
I see rotating it is a fairer method,its 2182km from here to townsville,145 to Canberra.One of us has a long trip either way.
The first one has to be acceptable to the most people to be successful and create the desire to have more.
In 5 years It won't be as big a deal for me as my last child will finish highschool and I can travel anytime,work permitting.
I agree we should have a central recording setup where recognition is given to those that perform best across 6 matches,as consistancy is better then one good day.
cheers Macca.

[Tony Z]

The history with Townsville holding the "Nationals" is already there. There were two matches held and advertised as such some years back. The first year we had the locals and Jacko and David Kerr from Vic attend. The second time it was just the locals and even those numbers were thin. JR went to a lot of trouble to get sponsorship prizes and money at that time and it still did not attract the shooters and that was at a time when things were a lot simpler and travelling costs were lower. Both events were held before the days of marked shooting and there was no bad blood to prevent shooters attending.

Before Alan goes to too much effort, it may be best to ask now as to who would be willing to attend. So who would attend a two day Nationals in Townsville on the second weekend in May 2010?

Loose Cannon Bodine.

[a.JR]

Hi guys, I think it's not too far into the future that we will have another 2 benchs ,we have shot 8 details in one day(16 shooters) ,so 32 is distinctly possibile in Townsville ..If we did hold it i think i could come up with corporate sponsorship again , we have always had a great prize/ cash set up here but as TZ reminded us of ,it has not ever brought big numbers of competitors in the past ..If it can't happen somewhere south of Brisbane then i'm sure we can make it happen here.. I like the thought that TSV is such an easy place to shoot at that there will be next to zero *HomeRange* advantage , regardless of which shoot method was employed..After all we are not competing for a Sheep Station are we..JR..Jeff Rogers.. Oh OK i'll turn up , only in H/G

[Ozeboy]

I don't shoot 1000yd but one day in the future a lotto win comes my way would build a competitive rifle and give it a go.

I am an old worn out 100 and 200 yd benchrest shooter. These rules are international and a number of countries shoot at the World Championships. The registered Australian matches are also shot to these rules where anyone has the oportunity to shoot a world record.

Seems logical to shoot to international 1000yd rules.

Do like the idea of markers in the butts as short range benchrest has turned into shooting a group as fast as possible with equipment that will allow you to do that.

[Tony Z]

Marked shooting is not nor has ever been part of any International rules for 1K in either the NBRSA, IBS or Pennsylvania sanctions. In all 1K rules it clearly states that no outside source of bullet hole or splash location be allowed other than what the shooter can see through his own means during the record period. In other words no outside help of any type is allowed by their rules except during the sighting period.

There can never be an official world record shot here in Australia and claimed under the IBS sanction as no range in Australia meets their requirements with regard to the number and type of officials running and scoring matches. Any group or score record shot in Australia can only be recognised as an Australian record. That's it.

Jethro Bodine, Loose Cannon.

[Mick]

Then there is the astronomical association fees for the IBS if you are a shooter not in the US. Club association and shooter membership is pretty hefty even if you do get all the other ducks in a row, and would put a lot of people and clubs off the idea.

My thought on it has always been that if you shoot a group that beats the IBS and NBRSA records, the associations not recognising it doesn't matter so much. The guys holding the records and shooters in both associations will know they have been bested, and you'll have set the mark to beat, official or not.

[Rinso]

Well there is a possibilty that we may be able to run a 1k Nationals at Lyndhurst in NSW (between Bathurst and Cowra) Now I say possibilty as we still have a few hurdles to jump but Jacko Bending has 3 good portable benches, Lyndhurst has 1000yds and we just need to get a few approvals and a few more benches and we are set.

The club is prepared to host as long as they make a few bob for the effort so would we get enough interest to get a match going. I know that I would be there as would my young bloke, Dave Goodridge & Les Fraser. Jacko will attend if he can depending on work so thats 5.

We are looking at something like practice Saturday 8am - 1230pm. Day 1 Sunday 8am till ???? shooting 3 targets. Day 2 Monday again 8am till ??? shooting a further 3 targets Morning and afternoon sessions with shooters having 1 morning and 1 afternoon session over the 2 days.

Sponsors and competitors yet to identified.

Accomodation available at Lyndhurst in the pub or possibly camping at the range

[jimbo]

Guys,

Speaking as someone who would attend and shoot, I think we should be shooting blind, as per IBS. This allows direct comparison to overseas results. Those who want to shoot solely for score, which is what marked shooting really is, should run a seperate comp, or take up darts, where group size has no relevance.

Jeff

That would be nice, but that horse bolted long ago. About half the people shooting 1K currently in Aus are shooting it marked (Probably more than half), and you cant just tell 50% of the people shooting it to piss off.

As I said, an agreement needs to be made or else a nationals will be a joke.

Which probably means that at the end of the shoot you would have to have two National Champions....one for each method.

[Tony Z]

Four champions Brendan, group and score for HG and the same for LG. Splitting of the two methods would mean eight champions which is something that no club should have to cater for. Who does the best goes home with the wood.


Dave, when i first heard of your proposal some time ago i thought it was a brilliant idea for two reasons. Firstly because it is new territory for any shooter and no-one could say they had a home range advantage. Secondly there is no history with the club and any of the debate about blind and marked so in effect it could be seen as the middle ground.
Personally i think a Nationals there could be the best outcome. I know that the blokes from Townsville have already said they wouldl support it and come on down for the event.

Jethro Bodine, Loose Cannon.

[festa874]

Rinso,
You can count me in on attending, depending on work that is and I am sure a few more of the others would be there too. I would have to put it to our meeting but I am sure Shane and I might be able to get hold of a couple of the benches from Leeton to help with the shoot.
Cheers
Festa

[macca]

Rinso,I'd be 90% sure of attending Lyndhurst as long as work permits.
cheers,
Macca