Supressors... worth the effort?

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kjd wrote:
Stalker wrote:Mate, you would argue with a possum!! :lol: :lol: I think you will find a gun is indeed required for shooting.
We don't need to shoot. Not recreationally anyway.

Suppressors have other safety benefits apart from saving your hearing.
ie: if you are with a group of people and you have hearing protection on its harder to hear a warning ie: look out, dont shoot etc etc

Now whats your stance on it mate? Should law abiding recreational hunters be allowed to carry and use a suppressor without any BS?

My opinion is no mate. It is a prohibited item under the firearms act. If they allow silencers to all, what next a total reform, semi-auto centerfire??? I mean, sure that would be great but I just don't think it's feasible, not in thius lifetime anyway. Imagine the poachers getting around and blokes spotlighting deer etc if everyone had silencers.

Just my opinion.
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I'm not shooting the messenger mate,

I'm just making a point. I know you don't believe that it should be so damn hard to get a suppressor.

I'm directing my comments at the Govt not at you.
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Yeah cool mate. I dunno, if they drop their guard so to speak, it would open the flood gates for a heap of other shit. Where would it end??
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I do not think it should be so hard for professional shooter to get one.
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kjd wrote:
Stalker wrote:Mate, you would argue with a possum!! :lol: :lol: I think you will find a gun is indeed required for shooting.
We don't need to shoot. Not recreationally anyway.

Suppressors have other safety benefits apart from saving your hearing.
ie: if you are with a group of people and you have hearing protection on its harder to hear a warning ie: look out, dont shoot etc etc

Now whats your stance on it mate? Should law abiding recreational hunters be allowed to carry and use a suppressor without any BS?

My opinion is no mate. It is a prohibited item under the firearms act. If they allow silencers to all, what next a total reform, semi-auto centerfire??? I mean, sure that would be great but I just don't think it's feasible, not in thius lifetime anyway. Imagine the poachers getting around and blokes spotlighting deer etc if everyone had silencers.

Just my opinion.
If they are poaching or generally breaking the law then they aren't law abiding rec hunters then are they? What is wrong with Semi-Auto centrefire? I'd love an AR-15 with a heavy barrel in a varmint cartridge (6mmbr) WITH A SUPPRESSOR). I am no more of a danger with one or without one and if I could have one I'd jump through the hoops too. I'd even have back to base security etc etc if it meant being able to own one of these babies.

Just because it won't happen doesn't mean that we should oppose it.
Yeah cool mate. I dunno, if they drop their guard so to speak, it would open the flood gates for a heap of other shit. Where would it end??
Where would what end? What is there to be afraid of? Are any of us here more of a danger to society with an AR-15 or with a Rem 700 or even a Rem 7600.
Don't throw law abiding people in with criminals. Criminals will get a hold of anything they want regardless of the law so why would you not allow law abiding citizens to have these things?

I also suggest you take a look at NZ, their gun laws, what they are allowed to have and then take a look at their crime rates in relation to these things. They even had gun registration once and looked at it smartly and realised it didn't make a difference.
They can pretty much have everything I mentioned above and yet the country is not in anarchy nor are there any more (there is probably less) mass shootings per capita to Aus.
Look at the facts mate not on anti-gunner ideals.
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Is there anything legal to us now that you want banned?
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Dunno how well you blokes think a suppressor would work on a high intensity varmint cartridge pushing 4000fps....
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Yep, JETSKIS. Bloody crotch rockets. I don't want a debate on gun laws, I can't be stuffed. You make perfectly valid points mate.
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Stalker wrote:My opinion is no mate. It is a prohibited item under the firearms act. If they allow silencers to all, what next a total reform, semi-auto centerfire??? I mean, sure that would be great but I just don't think it's feasible, not in thius lifetime anyway. Imagine the poachers getting around and blokes spotlighting deer etc if everyone had silencers.
For crying in a bucket....

Actually yes a total reform of our brainless laws would be great, Semi-auto centerfire (make mine a .300 whisper surppressed :twisted: ) even better. Stalker, Imagine if nobody ever took action because it wasn't "feasible"!

As for engaging in unlawful activities, then you should not own a firearm period!
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fenring wrote:Dunno how well you blokes think a suppressor would work on a high intensity varmint cartridge pushing 4000fps....
Good, a well made supressor shuts the .204 up nicely. Nothing you can do about the projectile breaking the sound barrier though.
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kjd wrote: They are bullshit rules based on fiction and not on science based evidence. How are the crime rates in NZ and EU countries that allow suppressors? Are they any better/worse than Aus? I don't think so .. .
Actually, handgun crime in the UK has gone up every year since they banned handguns. :mrgreen:
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fenring wrote:Dunno how well you blokes think a suppressor would work on a high intensity varmint cartridge pushing 4000fps....
I dont care about the sonic boom, a reduction in the muzzle blast would be nice though!!

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You are just taking the easy way out mate :-D
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I'll just throw this around.... I can LEGALLY buy a pump action .223 and yet the very same action in a shotgun is banned. I know which one I consider more potentially dangerous! A supressor doesn't make a firearm more dangerous but yes it can make poaching easier. Our gun laws were a knee jerk reaction to event like port arthur etc and have no real thoguht put to them. I don't see the need for semi auto centrefires with 10 or more rounds magazines as where would a HUNTER actually need that? I see nothign wrong with supressors either. This is a very interesting discussion and I think one that should be had in the public.
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Plowboy wrote:I'll just throw this around.... I can LEGALLY buy a pump action .223 and yet the very same action in a shotgun is banned. I know which one I consider more potentially dangerous! A supressor doesn't make a firearm more dangerous but yes it can make poaching easier. Our gun laws were a knee jerk reaction to event like port arthur etc and have no real thoguht put to them. I don't see the need for semi auto centrefires with 10 or more rounds magazines as where would a HUNTER actually need that? I see nothign wrong with supressors either. This is a very interesting discussion and I think one that should be had in the public.
I could have used a semi auto rifle with a 10 or 15 shot mag bunny shooting the other day. at stages I was spending as much time reloading my 6 shot mag as I was shooting it.
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If you really want a suppressor it can be made in under half hour on a lathe and is only 2 pieces screwed together and works better than any washer made unit and better than that weight can be changed to act the same as a barrel tunner increasing performance,but is the risk worth it if you have any sort of capital invested in your firearms it is a lot to lose for what? as for the not being able to hear your mates. Simple answer electronic earmuffs, you can even plug a uhf into some of the better units. No armed robber with a long arm wants a pump 223 most of them probably cannot shoot that straight even at that short a distance and its not as scary and dont tell them a lever action can be just as fast. on top of all that when was the last time you saw a movie or some other none shooting related feature of any kind that would inform someone who has no idea about firearms telling them anything about how fast or deadly a rem 7600 is? before strict firearms laws came in suppressors did cause problems in the wrong hands like the bloke shooting ducks off the golf course dam and the bloke with a full wet suit including hood diving for golf balls. what do you think happened when his head popped up for air. They are banned for a reason, maybe not fair but there is always the dickhead factor
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