600 IBS practice day at T'ville

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Tony Z
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600 IBS practice day at T'ville

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Well our first ever go at 600 has been fun for those that attended. As i thought the heat, mirage and wind kept a few away with only six of us turning up. Suprisingly the wind was quite a bit slower than the 20-25 knots we were having in town and was somewhere around the 10-15 mark as a maximum with drop-offs to less than 5 knots on the odd occasion lasting only a minute or so. The mirage was quite good aswell with times of near perfect vision of the target when the cloud cover came in. All in all not a real horrible day.
As for the groups and scores there were some mixed results. The two 6 BRs showed a decisive edge in the light gun area over the one 223 and two 284s. There was one heavy gun being JRs and i will let him tell you all about it. Needless to say a drop port magnum with 187 BIBs is in a seperate class. The 223 was a lot better than what most of us felt it would be, complete with a 55 grain Ballistic Tip Nosler pill at 3200 fps, it was able to hold about 1 MOA in the conditions. The 284s were diametrically opposite each other with the 168 SMK showing a clear edge over the others 175 SMKs. Both did shoot a single group of around the 2.75 inch mark but the 175 SMKs loaded in Eric Gs rifle showed a very clear vertical pattern in the following 3 groups with one being well over the six inch mark. Of the two 6 BRs, Chris Js with the Lapua 105 and 30 grains of 2208 and a 205M showed a flat 3 incher for his first up group in tricky wind and his follow up group of .5 of a grain more powder nearly doubled the vertical component of his first at the 2.5 inch mark.With my own 6 BR i fired 10 shot groups as i wanted to do an extended test of SMKs over the Lapua 105. The first group was the Lapuas at 4.7 inches, 8 in 2.6 inches and 2 dropping out of the sky. Next up i shot the SMK in two groups of five, just pausing briefly to allow the marker to circle the five shots and then i continued with the next 5 to complete the 10 shot group. The 10 shot group measured 5.3 inches. The first five were selected on meplat cutting where there was a piece of the pie missing whereas the next five were selected on concentric meplat cuts as in a circle within the circle for those familiar with my style of bullet selection and yet another attempt to convince myself that i don't need a Juenke. The first five shots gave the measured 5.3 inch group with a very open inverted triangle shape and the second group of five were inside the first group and measured 3.2 inches, 4 in 1.25 inches with the fifth split right on a wind push. For me the choice is either to go with the Lapua that measures good and have few cast-offs but drop the occasional low one, or go with the SMK that measures like a cow turd and has a cast-off rate of over 60%, but when you do your bit they can really shoot.
Finally i fired one five shot group with the Lapuas and 33.5 grains of H4350 but instead of the 450 i used the 210M in the opened up primer pockets and flasholes of the Lapua 6BR cases. The group measured 2.85 inches with 4 Liberals and again 1 Green left of centre this time, but the whole group was elevated 9.25 inches from the small rifle primed group shot earlier. Knowing that this load at 200 yds impacted 1 inch higher (.5 minute) than the standard load with the 450, this elevation change would have to be caused by an increase of almost 100 fps, placing this load at around 3020 fps as i know the original load runs at 2930 fps. As i said in another post, i have yet to try the 215M, but i would expect atleast another 50 fps as i have done in some of my other chamberings using both this powder and primer. Primers were quite rounded and the cases showed no signs of stress and would freely re-chamber so i would assume that bumping is still a little ways off yet.

As for scores, the target is very generous as compared to a Fly target, and there were many scores in the high 40s. I would expect that a 50 with some Xs should not be to hard to get.

Generally this shoot is the same as 1000 IBS excepting the Heavy Guns only shoot 5 shots for each of their 4 targets as opposed to 10 shots for each of 2 targets, which makes it a walk in the park both for the barrels and the shooters. Overall this shoot is F Class without the spotting, and group shooting without the ability to see a thing at the target. It is easy to see why a whole brigade of cruiser weight 6 BRs/Dashers complete with their drop port Stiller actions, are starting to dominate the scene in the US. My old Hunter gun with an aging barrel seems pedestrian compared to the likes of JRs drop ported magnum as at one point we both started at the same time and he had one through the target, three in flight and one in the barrel before i had the second fired. It is very clear why the 6 mil is the caliber of choice in the Light Guns as re-aquisitioning of the rifle is paramount. Do not expect to see any bullet holes unless they are in the white X ring or outside the blue of the 9 ring and this would have to be on a good day with a 6 mil. This is a fun shoot for those that like to either chase the groups or the scores, but i can see that there is a side of this shoot that can catch the very serious participant very easily. As for me it is clearly a lot of fun but i also see the need to nail Daves feet to the floor so he can make me some more of his wonderful 88 grain flat base pills while i sit at the CAD and design another gun.

Our first official match is on March 11 and those that need any assistance would be best advised to contact JR as i am always busy meplat cutting golf balls these days. :mrgreen:


Tony Z.
Blackpete

Post by Blackpete »

Thanks for the news Tony, I couldn't make it Sunday as my projectiles have not yet arrived. :( Those guys in Adelaide re a bit slow answering emails :roll: but I have sent the money down for 200x200g Sierra's, they should be here in time for the six hundred.

It sounds like i may have to re-think my new LG hey, i was going to chamber in 30-284 but it looks like the 6br is doing a little better, bit of a shame really as I never thought i would have to shoot anything less than a 30cal.

Anyway, all being equal I'll see you out there in March.
Pete.
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Blackpete wrote: It sounds like i may have to re-think my new LG hey, i was going to chamber in 30-284 but it looks like the 6br is doing a little better, bit of a shame really as I never thought i would have to shoot anything less than a 30cal.

Anyway, all being equal I'll see you out there in March.
Pete.
Good plan ... then you can sell me back that Krico action :P
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In the US the 6mm is the king of the hill for 600yds. It holds all bar one record at 600yds.

I know that we are not in the US, but I think it strongly suggests something!

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Hey Dirtyfeet, Eric has to go back to squre 1 with his 284 ,some time shortly ,Bob L didn't get there so he will want to go to ,keep in touch as we will all go ,mid week probably .. I stayin with what i know but want to run some tests on the vertical coming from the 500met mound while you guys a shooting.. Call when u get the bullets..JR..Jeff Rogers.................
Blackpete wrote:Thanks for the news Tony, I couldn't make it Sunday as my projectiles have not yet arrived. :( Those guys in Adelaide re a bit slow answering emails :roll: but I have sent the money down for 200x200g Sierra's, they should be here in time for the six hundred.

It sounds like i may have to re-think my new LG hey, i was going to chamber in 30-284 but it looks like the 6br is doing a little better, bit of a shame really as I never thought i would have to shoot anything less than a 30cal.

Anyway, all being equal I'll see you out there in March.
Pete.
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Post by albow »

Midweek, bugga JR I won't be able to get there this time :D

Have changed jobs now and as busy as a one legged man....
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Hi Al, If i'm not mistaken the next 2 saturdays will see, someone at 500 met testing .. As far as your concerned any time / any distance will give you valuable input behind the trigger, load em up i reckon..JR..Jeff Rogers.....
al-bow wrote:Midweek, bugga JR I won't be able to get there this time :D

Have changed jobs now and as busy as a one legged man....
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Hey Wiz,
sorry mate but you have not got enough $$$$ to get the Krico, the sentimental value is now too high, it is responcible for filling my cabinet with trinkets over the last few years.

JR, how did those new progie's go, are you ready to sell any of those 200g Sierras.
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Hey Dirty Feet, the 30/284 is still the way to go for your LG. The point i am making is that for a runner, the 6 mils are the way to go on the good days, but only if you want to chase the group. If it is the score, as it should be with this also being a Fly gun, the 30 will win out over the course of a 6 and 10 match agg. If it is rough with lots of mirage as we have become accustomed to at our range, the sixes will have a tough run home. Lets put a little perspective on the 600 IBS; when Dave Tooley ventures over and shoots the odd match in the US, his 30 cals, often the only ones there, win both classes and in the early days set records along the way. When he is not there, a six mil is going to win, because that is all that is there. Some time on a range somewhere, the conditions are going to be perfect, and chances are that a quick six shooter will do great. For all the match reports that i have looked at, it is obvious that both the mirage and wind have been favourable at some events, and recently a 6BR with a FB was able to set a new single card group record, but only after the fog had lifted and the shooters were able to see their targets!!! Other match results have shown not so favourable weather and the groups with some of the six mils, and others, have been like some of your early ventures into 1K. Absolutely huge :lol: .

The question i pose is, do you want to have a gun than may produce a one off record group, or do you want a gun that over the average of a years competition wins the group and score aggs? This next year will quickly show what "works", at our range atleast.

Take a closer look at JRs target. No aiming off at all, three different loads and seating depths. The larger group is around 3", the smaller is 1.5" and the other one is somewhere inbetween. He did run one target, but the others were picked through as the conditions allowed and i would have to say that it would be a brave betting man who would run a six in HG up against his 30 cal. Lets remember that 600 IBS in the US has failed to attract some of the big guns of the older brother, but when that does happen down the road, i wouldn't like to be sitting between Tooley and Green, with a six mil, watching the flags strung straight out. My way of thinking on this little game in LG is to go with a 15 twist 30 cal in 30/284 or 30/06 AI with the 165 FB pills in a very modified and fast ejecting action if the need arises. Something like a long action Krico i know of for sale :mrgreen:. 3200 fps with a .500 BC should work just fine and will cross on over into HG to give JR a run at the track.

As for me this year, i will just leave the Heavies for the 1K and use the old 6 BR F Classer and try to hone up my skills a bit. A new gun for next year.


Tony Z.
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Sounds good TZ,
my plans are still to retain the Krico (as is) for this year at least, the Rem 700 will go into a new stock that should be here some time around June this year. When it gets here i'll have a chat to you re the barrel, my next step will be ordering a new reamer in 30-284.

If all goes well it should be ready for the 08 season, shit i just remembered, I'll have to put the hard word on the missus for another Nightforce, don't like the chances though.

I still intend to build a twin pod system for the Krico though, I really want to see how it goes in the heavy gun class fly shoots while retaining the 30-338 cartridge. I figure if I don't like it or it doesn't work i will have lost nothing but a bit of stainless, all in all a cheap experiment.
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Hey, blackpete, if that Rem 700 don't work for you, remember i have first option on it, at a good discount of course! Check your emails.
Meanwhile I'm gonna try my hardest to get there with something or other... the woob
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