aJR,Steven,Tony Z,dg,Rinso,Kenny.
I was told about this discussion and could not believe it! Now I have read it, I am still having trouble believing it. What illogical mentality would attempt to justify the changes introduced, as fair or equitable? Apart from the fact, that, forcing the two groups to compare results destroys the basic principles of sportsmanship, why would anyone want to compare the results in the first place? Very peculiar!
Good luck in your endeavours guys
Sayko
1000yd Benchrest in AUS
Sayko, as the shoot captain of Townsville's 1000 Yard shoot, i can assure you that there will be absolutely no chance that we will run our shoots for 2007 in any format other than what we have used to date. Our system of aggregating the scores and groups may not be IBS rule book as has been stated before, but is the system used by the IBS Nationals in the US.
Now it has been made clear to me, that for our insurance coverage and allowed continuance that we hold to the rules as stated in the SSRs of the NRAA. Recently the rules used by us for both the Fly, 600 and 1000 yard have been requested by both the NRAA and the SSAA for presentation to both our insurers and Firearms branch for the range templates to be re- assessed.
Tony Z.
Now it has been made clear to me, that for our insurance coverage and allowed continuance that we hold to the rules as stated in the SSRs of the NRAA. Recently the rules used by us for both the Fly, 600 and 1000 yard have been requested by both the NRAA and the SSAA for presentation to both our insurers and Firearms branch for the range templates to be re- assessed.
Tony Z.
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Kenny
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Sayko.
As I have never shot 1000yds I have a limited understanding of it all, however I have always believed that the 'old school' rules of shooting blind made any record scores shot 'contestable' under the IBS banner.
If I had the choice I would shoot blind as IMO that's the spirit of the event
I don't see any problem with clubs offering a choice of shooting blind or marked at the same match, as long as the target crew know who is what, and there are enough of them to do the job.
I think this is already happening at one venue... with no dramas
KY
As I have never shot 1000yds I have a limited understanding of it all, however I have always believed that the 'old school' rules of shooting blind made any record scores shot 'contestable' under the IBS banner.
If I had the choice I would shoot blind as IMO that's the spirit of the event
I don't see any problem with clubs offering a choice of shooting blind or marked at the same match, as long as the target crew know who is what, and there are enough of them to do the job.
I think this is already happening at one venue... with no dramas
KY
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Kenny
You hit the nail on the head when you said "I think this is already happening at one venue... with no dramas "
I don't shoot alot of 1000BR and the last couple of time I have had my shots "marked", to be honest Canberra as you know has a majority of FC and MR shooters and without speaking for them they/ I use it (the 1000BR) to tune and develop loads for FC and shooting blind doesn't always help to do that, it's nice to what shot went out of the group. As for records as far as I was concerned any "marked" shoots wouldn't count towards records or SOTY which I agree with 100%.
Matt P
You hit the nail on the head when you said "I think this is already happening at one venue... with no dramas "
I don't shoot alot of 1000BR and the last couple of time I have had my shots "marked", to be honest Canberra as you know has a majority of FC and MR shooters and without speaking for them they/ I use it (the 1000BR) to tune and develop loads for FC and shooting blind doesn't always help to do that, it's nice to what shot went out of the group. As for records as far as I was concerned any "marked" shoots wouldn't count towards records or SOTY which I agree with 100%.
Matt P
Rules, Rules and more F in rules!
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sorry 
There are no new rules that i know of. The only rules i have seen or heard of are those as listed in the SSRs or IBS rule book. They may be grey, but they are all we've got.
As for range templates and insurance, it has also come out of the blue for us just recently. Fear of litigation from both associations i suspect.
Tony Z.
As for range templates and insurance, it has also come out of the blue for us just recently. Fear of litigation from both associations i suspect.
Tony Z.
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Blackpete
Well, well, well, hello gentlemen,
what an interesting thread, to spot or not to spot, that is the question hey.
Please allow me to express my feelings, I think I may have a way around this problem, you see if there are people out there that want to shoot the "Girley Man" (spotted) 1000 yard shoots, let them, they are obviouslly not experianced enough to shoot proper IBS 1000yrd shoots and need an entry level shoot to get started, hey we all had to start some where. I think an entry level shoot to IBS 1000yrd may be what we need to get more shooters.
I am sure any shooter (in time) will see that it takes a hell of a lot more skill to shoot blind than it does to shoot the spotted way. I could just see snipers asking their #2 to go and spot for them, couldn't you.
But seriously, I think we should all wake up and understand that these shoots are TOTALLY different, if Canberra and Brisbane want to hold spotted shoots thats fine with me as long as these clubs give the IBS shooters equal time on the ranges to hold a different competition.
Pete.
what an interesting thread, to spot or not to spot, that is the question hey.
Please allow me to express my feelings, I think I may have a way around this problem, you see if there are people out there that want to shoot the "Girley Man" (spotted) 1000 yard shoots, let them, they are obviouslly not experianced enough to shoot proper IBS 1000yrd shoots and need an entry level shoot to get started, hey we all had to start some where. I think an entry level shoot to IBS 1000yrd may be what we need to get more shooters.
I am sure any shooter (in time) will see that it takes a hell of a lot more skill to shoot blind than it does to shoot the spotted way. I could just see snipers asking their #2 to go and spot for them, couldn't you.
But seriously, I think we should all wake up and understand that these shoots are TOTALLY different, if Canberra and Brisbane want to hold spotted shoots thats fine with me as long as these clubs give the IBS shooters equal time on the ranges to hold a different competition.
Pete.
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To be honest, I beleive there is a fair bit of luck involved to shoot a sub 5" group for light and sub 8" group for heavy spotted or not. Both ways have their pro's and con's but really can't be compared. The easiest way to solve the problems is to keep records for both types of shooting.
My personal view would be that only blind shooting count for records and SOTY (even though the past couple of shoots I shot spotted)but thats probably not in the intrest of the sport if we want it to grow.
Matt P
My personal view would be that only blind shooting count for records and SOTY (even though the past couple of shoots I shot spotted)but thats probably not in the intrest of the sport if we want it to grow.
Matt P
This will not improve my popularity in a certain part of Australia, but it needs to be said. It is interesting to read this thread on the split in the BR ranks. I have become aware of the Canberra situation from the F-Class point of view, and there are similarities. It seems that there is a strong feeling there, and I don't know how widely it is shared, that if the local shooters want the rules to be a particular way, then they should be changed to suit. This is fine for those locals who want it, but for those who don't, and those from elsewhere around Australia trying to encourage national competition, it is a pain. If Canberra scope shooters want to encourage visitors to their shoots, they need to be prepared to fit in with the majority, or over time they will become more isolated, and the current good numbers they are experiencing may become a thing of the past. This would be a shame - it is great range, centrally located (in the population sense), and has some very good people running things. I just wish they would adopt more of a national focus with rules, for everyone's benefit.
Alan
Alan
Yes it is time to look more closely at what we are doing and where we are headed as the apple cart is about to be tipped on its side. Long range shooting in Aus is about to change very soon and like most things in this sport in either association, the shooter will probably have the least amount of knowledge or say in the matter.
Tony Z.
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sayko
1000yd br in australia
guys
Could you all please re-read my post and consider the following perspective.
I became aware of the discussion on this topic (1000yd br in Australia) from overhearing it being discussed by local fullbore shooters. Their concern was not anything to do with the technical side of things, but was to do with their feeling that it is unfair and unjust to compare spotted target results with those achieved without spotting.(blind as you say). As I said previously I could not believe or understand why anyone could be so hard up or desperate to want to do this. After researching and reading all the related topics on this forum I felt agitated and motivated to support you guys on this issue. Unfortunately, my message has apparently not been understood in this manner. I am not apologetic in my comments on sportsmanship and firmly believe that anyone that needs to compare these results lacks credibility personally and as a sportsperson. I now realise that it is not advisable to try and make comments when stirred up and to be clearer in what I am trying to say.
How embarrassed am I at having to explain my own post
Sayko
Could you all please re-read my post and consider the following perspective.
I became aware of the discussion on this topic (1000yd br in Australia) from overhearing it being discussed by local fullbore shooters. Their concern was not anything to do with the technical side of things, but was to do with their feeling that it is unfair and unjust to compare spotted target results with those achieved without spotting.(blind as you say). As I said previously I could not believe or understand why anyone could be so hard up or desperate to want to do this. After researching and reading all the related topics on this forum I felt agitated and motivated to support you guys on this issue. Unfortunately, my message has apparently not been understood in this manner. I am not apologetic in my comments on sportsmanship and firmly believe that anyone that needs to compare these results lacks credibility personally and as a sportsperson. I now realise that it is not advisable to try and make comments when stirred up and to be clearer in what I am trying to say.
How embarrassed am I at having to explain my own post
Sayko