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[Trev]

Rinso,

You are not quite correct, optically the Bushnell is nearly as good as the NF, I have had several very experienced optics guys look through the 4200 and then look through mine and a couple of other NF scopes, both benchrest and NXS series, all of them, yes all of them came away with the response that the NF was better but only by a very small margin. As Stalker said, he cant cant see MUCH difference between his VXL and NXS scopes. I will admmit something though, I do know of alot of people who dont like Leupold and say they are rubbish, I wonder if they have a quality control issue.

Also, the NF was the scope of choice for the specialis roles. That changed and is continuing to change. The US Marines selected the SB for its M40 and M82 sniper rifles. It is also in the wind that the Army is looking at the SB as well (I cannot 100% confirm this but my source is fairly reliable).

Rinso, the SB is far superior to the NF scope optics wise, I used several SB's for 10 years (and some Kahles) also in 2003 I was using my SB with some US guys who had NF's and they liked our SB's more than the NF. One of them even signed out one of our SB's and didnt want to give it back, wanted to swap the NF for it.

But I am only talking about the NXS series, the BR series that you mention is completly different, as its using the same optics (from what I know) but its as you said, far cheaper. If i was looking for another scope, I would certainly consider a NF BR model as its good price wise. The NXS isnt.

Plus I do own some Vortex scopes, a Viper 4-12 and a Diamondback 4-12.

But as in a lot of things, a scope is a scope, what one person thinks is a great scope someone else may think its not. The NF range does offer alot that no other company offers, some neat tricks and a bigger range of magnification.

Have you used or handled an SB, you really cant appreciate how smooth they really are, the turret adjustment makes your mouth water, 30 MOA per turn,very nice fine gooving on the turrets, plus it has a colour coded system that shows a yellow patch in the turret window when you have gone past one revolution on the turret, then you can read of the yellow numbers on the turret. It has fast focus eyepiece, and the numbers and scales are much easier to read than the NF. The reticle is in the first focal plane as well, so you dont have to worry about your magnification setting when ranging, not like most other scopes. Nothing worse that having to rush a shot and before hand, having to screw the magnification back to 4 or 6 before you can range, then screw it back up and take the shot.

Anyway, you would think I have shares in SB, hahaha, I dont, I just have experience with them and love. But that said, they are expensive.

The bottom line is though, no matter if we agree or disagree, there is only one person who has to be happy with the scope, and thats the owner who has to pay for it and shoot with it. The NF scopes will continue to sell, because they do offer a good product that is ok in price, the NXS though is too expensive for what it is. I will take my NF and Bushnell 4200 tomorrow and put them side by side with the Bushnell 6200 and get some opinions on the 3.

Cheers

[Rinso]

trev,

If you look back at old posts regards scopes you will see that I am very much a fan of S&B and yes I have owned a couple over the years also Swaro's, Kahles etc.

My point is that yes the NF NXS can be pricey but no more so than you the rest of the scopes in that range. Further none have a range that covers all needs so you must as a shooter make some comprimise here and there. I dont doubt the Bushnell has good optics but then again most people look through a scope in the middle of a bright sunny day and then say 'yes not much difference' thats not a real good test. How about conducting some actual trials in low light, at long distance etc and publishing the results. (I can give you a list of tests if you need it)

I have had a look through Ackley Improved's March 10-60x50 as an example .. yes a nice scope for sure but at the time did not look much better optically than my NF BR but ones $1500 and the others $3000 plus. Does not mean the March is not better than the NF just that my old eyes cant pick it.

End of the day several things have always been pretty factual with scopes

1. You get what you pay for (in most cases)
2. What looks good to me may not be as good to someone else (I know several top comp shooters whose eye sight is terrible)
3. Finding a scope that meets all your requirements ie magnification, weight, adjustment, tube size etc etc is not always possible.

So it becomes a personnel choice issue .. I for example believe the Vortex scopes are great value for money optics, that does not mean you will.

As for the military stuff as you know lots of trials and politics in that as well. Again when you look at what one mans see's the next may well disagree.

cheers
Rinso

ps So how much can I buy that crappy NF for ??????

[Ron Goulding]

Hi Guys , there is a New kid on the block , IOR, These scopes are made in Romania. If your after a tactical scope its sure hard to pass up on this one, as it has everything nightforces NXS series has and a bit more. I have the 8-36 x 56, it has a 35mm tube for more light , side paralax focus, illuminating reticle, target turrents, reticle is of similar design to a russian mil dot. I have the older model where the turrents have screw on caps, but the newer models dont and they are overly large for ease of adjusting both elevation and windage. Price is similar to the NXS range. I currently have this on a 22 br rifle and i couldnt be happier. If anyone is unfamilar with this scope and would like some photos, id be happy to email, send me a pm. Ron PS i still dont know how to post photos on the web

[Trev]

Post some pics Ron.

It would be interesting to see where all these Scope manufactures get the lenses from. Because their isnt as many lense makers as there is scope manufacturers. Plus in that upper end of lenses, there is a handfull that make them. I wouldnt be surprised to see many of the upper end scopes all using the same glass.