Target Cam

[Ned Kelly]

G'Day all,
now I've been rading with interest the idea of technology to help in long range shooting and wish all of you experimenters all the luck you need, and I don't want to rain on anyones parade................................. but you all realise that the targets will have to be optimised for viewing clarity?

Do you know how hard it is to even agree on just one target design for a single discipline let alone multiple long range disciplines?



good luck!



Cheerio Ned the muck raker!

yeah i know take me out the back and have me flogged at dawn

[malcolm]

Gidday Fellas, Heh, am I glad I got some great minds thinking!!!!!! As for me --I don't know the difference between a megabyte and a meaty bite, but sooner or later we may come up with a system.
Keep thinking guys
Malcolm

[Ackley Improved]

Malcolm, it can be done no problem wireless, but you take the risk of broadcasting illegally.

Ultimately, if you are shooting to 500m, I dont think you need a camera system at all. You have seen at the Fly shoots how well the splash plates work, and you can clearly see the impacts.

I am currently putting together to targets, both with bisalloy plate around the 500mm X 450mm, and they will be swinging. Above that I will have a frame made to hold a target. Very simple to make as well. It will be just like what is at a Fly shoot. On a splash plate that big at 500m, there will be more than enough plate to shoot around before you got to go up there and paint it again. No need for camera, and with a good scope, that will be enough!

Cheers
AI

[Mick]

Malcolm, it can be done no problem wireless, but you take the risk of broadcasting illegally.

It's only illegal if you get caught.

[Curtley78]

Yes indeed, broadcasting illegally. Guerrilla Radio.

I think you meant to say that it is only a crime if you get 'Court'.

I am pretty certain that a Sony PSP could be connected to a wireless router to broadcast an image (we would just need be cautious of Rinso and his psychotic episodes and perhaps have the camera and router shielded by 3 inch steel plate)

Would it not be easier to request access to military ranges such as Green Bank, Singleton and Holsworthy? Perhaps the SSAA could lobby State and Federal Government?

I know that they have a system that includes monitors like that of the International Shooting center in Sydney, I also recall that ranges such as Maryborough in Queensland were open to shooters of respective organisations prior to the incident in Tasmania.

[Rinso]

Would it not be easier to request access to military ranges such as Green Bank, Singleton and Holsworthy? Perhaps the SSAA could lobby State and Federal Government?

It would be easier to lobby the State & Federal Govt for sports grants to hard wire systems into place on ranges. I say this because I am pretty ceratin that you will not get permission to use an active military range for civillian competition when there are plenty of other ranges available. In other words the army dont want you on their property with guns.

The SSAA & NRAA (not they work together, heaven forbid) could put much more effort into obtaining grants for range development and improvements such as hard wired camera systems however its not likely that anyone will bother as out leaders in these groups seem to busy with other things.

As for the wireless idea ... picture if you will a commercial airliner crashing into sububan homes in north Canberra, killing hundreds and the headlines that will follow when the event turns out to be caused, not by a terrorist attack as first thought, but by some sook shooter at Majura who couldnt see bullet holes at 500 metres.

If the mirage causes you that much trouble, its not your optics that are your problem .. you just cant shoot, practice more.

[Tony Z]

I know about Daves' phsycotic nature toward the use, or rather singular use of wireless cameras in registered matches where any shooter can roll up, stake a camera in front of his target frame and proceed to watch and shoot the match. Meanwhile the rest of us plebs have to wade through rain, sleet and mirage, whatever, and use the plate splash or March scopes to see our POI. Right at this moment, there are zero rules in any form of LR BR to stop this happening. If someone were to come out and do it, and the rules DO NOT specifically say he cannot, how is anyone going to say, "remove that as it is not legal"? The very fact that it is even being discussed by us on this forum says that right at this moment we do not see it as an illegal practice, but rather that somebody, and that somebody only, may have an edge. That could also be said of Trevs new 10-60 March. And his dropport action. And his Maxitracker stock etc. Hopefully we are not at the FClass level of the unfair advantage call quite yet.
With BR across the board, it is accepted that there are some areas that are a little grey while other things are clearly black or white. But if the rules don't state it either way, we have no legitimate argument to its use or restriction. The rules in some applications, and not just in BR, were written at a time when technology was not what it is today. So here's the point. Do the rules change to accommodate such technologies, or do we only allow them when everyone is on an equal footing? (That should make you happy Dave)
Not everyone abides by the unwritten code of decorum held by many in the BR world and quite frankly if we all did, we would still have chromemoly barrels chambered in 222 and a post and picket crosshair. My personal view is that if the guy has the knowhow, and the cash, then go for it. If he wins then goodluck to him. (Sorry Dave this is payback for the muzzle break thing )

If and when we ever go to a camera setup on our new range, the rules will be very specific for 1K and 600. The monitor will be visible during the sighter period only and shut off to the shooter during the record time. This will most likely be controlled by the RO. The cameras will be trained on the sighter boards only, so i seriously doubt that even if the monitors were left on, that it would aid the shooter anyway. We will have no other way to sight at 600 or 1K as we do not have pits in the pipeline anytime soon, if ever. Clay pidgeons on mounds like the yanks do is not an option as far as we are concerned. The two options are, cameras or electronic targets. For Fly, we still have our bisalloy plates on stands.

Jethro Bodine.

[Tony Z]

Just read your post Dave and i am RAOTFLMFHO.

Mate, ten guys just ordered cameras through 6BR.com

Jethro fucking Bodine.

[Ackley Improved]

I really like the idea of a camera system for LR shooting.

NOT IN MATCHES THOUGH!!!!

For the sighter period at 1000yds it would be great, and even better if you are only practicing or doing load development.

When its comp time, camera off.. full stop! When I had the diea of putting one together, it was just for my own use for load development and practicing out on the farm. I would be out in a valley so no houses etc to interfere with, but airliners do fly over head.

Cheers
AI

[Curtley78]

...As for the wireless idea ... picture if you will a commercial airliner crashing into sububan homes in north Canberra......If the mirage causes you that much trouble, its not your optics that are your problem ..

Yea, I recall that the majority of competitors were using Tasco's, as for the Airliner, regardless, the Government aided by bucket-arsed journalists would still peddle that it was Achmed the Terrorist.

How is it that I have commercial aircraft flying over my home here in Helensburgh and I along with most homes have wireless routers?

I haven't seen any Aircraft fall out of the Sky.

Smacks of Bullshit!

This is the competitive nature of man in that no one likes his fellow to have an equal or greater advantage.

One bloke in our club informed my father in law that he not need be using higher grade ammunition until he is shooting A grade scores with cheap stuff (yea right).

After I informed him that cheap stuff is not consistent nor is it reliable and of the quality control measures that are in place with high grade ammunition, he went from shooting high 180's to high 190's.

Some of these guys re-package their ammunition into the packets of cheaper brands as means of disguising and misleading their fellow competitors (I have never seen anything like it).

I also seem to recall a fellow shooter informing me earlier this year at Batemans Bay that half of it is being able to see your shots. A couple of months ago the same individual would suggest that I do not need a 'Nightforce'.

Are these people fair-dinkum?

But not to worry, I've got a 12-42 NXS Nightforce coming and hopefully will have it for Canberra in March, it certainly would have been more economical to wire a Sony PSP via a wireless router.

The money I saved would have paid for a new high grade barrel from Shane.

I always thought that it was the bourgeoisie of the small bore clubs that have a piss and moan, its no wonder that these events struggle to attract new competitors given the petty politics within the fraternity.

Perhaps this is what it is all about, ensuring that a little niche of elitists can call the shots, much like implementing economic sanctions against the third world, however this time the restrictions are implemented via fact that not everyone can afford high grade equipment.

Uncle Mal, look at what you've done, you've caused all this angst and disharmony and perhaps for the better

[Mick]

hahahaha
We could just allow them in matches to wind up the progress blockers. Nothing like shit stirring.

But yes, my interest in them was for practice and load development. I think the directional antenna would negate a lot of issues with interfering with other devices. The picture doesn't have to wind up being great quality, so you could use several bi-directional signal repeaters, transmit on less power to further negate interference with other stuff, and probably live with the loss of image quality. In all reality the bullet holes can look like a smudge. You're not really going to be using it for exact measurement of your groups.

[Ackley Improved]

If one does pop up at a 1000yd or Fly match for using during a match, it will only happen once. The next time I will bring one hopefully on the same Ghz, or even a blocker, and turn it on! I could also use a sighter shot on the unit up range?

I think it is a great idea for sightin period, and for 500m and 1000yd load development. For a fixed rifle range, I would hard wire.

What can be done with fibre optics? Whats is worth a metre?

Cheers
AI

[Rinso]

I also seem to recall a fellow shooter informing me earlier this year at Batemans Bay that half of it is being able to see your shots. A couple of months ago the same individual would suggest that I do not need a 'Nightforce'.

Are these people fair-dinkum?

But not to worry, I've got a 12-42 NXS Nightforce coming and hopefully will have it for Canberra in March, it certainly would have been more economical to wire a Sony PSP via a wireless router.

The money I saved would have paid for a new high grade barrel from Shane.

Sean,
Seeing your bullet holes is at times an advantage particularly when learning to wind read. However seeing bullet holes is not going to make you win matches as it is information provided after the fact .. ie it shows a bullet thats already fired or for want of a better description it shows you you have F#$ked up sooner rather than later.
It will not help you read wind nor will it make your ammo more consistant or your technique any better. Interesting to note that most guys shooting 6mms hardly ever see bullet bullet holes but it doesnt seem to stop Murray Hicks, Mat Paroz, Trev Bent, Peter Van Muers etc from winning matches ..
As for setting up cameras well go right ahead I wont protest you nor do I believe that nayone else will ... do I think it will give you an unfair advantage no. if I was going to set up a camera to gain an unfair advantage I would set it up behind a fellow shooter I thought was reading the wind well and watch him, that would be far more helpful than watching bullet holes in targets.

[Aussie_bob]

I have an Austar dish antenna on the roof you can have just have to get up there and remove it.