The new breed
The new breed
Just a couple of pics of things to come for dedicated 1K and 600 Aus rifles.
300 Rednex (not Redneck) in a RBRPRE 1.5" diameter action with a Lilja 12 twist 30 inches long stretched with a 1.5"/1.25" 6060 tube and fitted with one of my 75% reduction brakes. Stock is incomplete and unfinished at this stage as the winged keel is yet to be fitted, but the forend is 3.5 inches wide with a 3/4 inch barrel channel offset. A 200 SMK or 208 Amax at over 3150 fps fired in a gun that has a little more recoil to that of a 6 BR and tracks like a train has to be experienced. Since the drop off in interest for Fly up here and the constraints of the associated rules, guns like this are in the works for a number of shooters as are a couple of HGs with rear adjustable rests. Don't view the last statement as a dig at the Fly rules as such, as i have had a lot of fun with the Fly over the years, but i believe i have already shot my last SOTY Fly so any rules changes in the future are of no concern to me. I will continue to shoot our club Fly matches for RnD for the 600 and 1K as i have done over the last year or so.
Accuracy during fireforming yesterday was very good and early load developement late today was in the .300" area at 200 yards for five shots. Again very impressive and certainly rivals any HG i have owned, but 200 yards means shit in the LR game, so next weekend at the 600 will give a better indication. The stretcher tube is doing the usual widening of the accuracy window with a 7 grain spread of powder weight before the group starts to climb up or down the barrel "flick". Those with tube guns will understand what i mean. Essentially the 200 SMK has a velocity window of 3050 to 3225 fps before the sine gets the group to climb sharply up or down. Still groups there, but just moves the MPI suddenly when the charge window is exceeded. Simply put, from 75 to 81 grains of H4831 will impact the SMK at close to the same place and still hold a group, very desireable when you have big swings in ambient temperature. So single loads of 75, 76, 77, 78, 79, 80 and 81 grains of powder will produce around a .7" group at 200 yards that looks like a little vertical slot, but 77, 78, and 79 will pile into a tiny hole and this is where i suspect i will end up. 78 grains of 4831, 200 SMK at around 3150 fps. H1000 and VV 560 are yet to be tried and more work needs to be done with the 208 Amax, but that will come sometime soon.
Tony Z.
300 Rednex (not Redneck) in a RBRPRE 1.5" diameter action with a Lilja 12 twist 30 inches long stretched with a 1.5"/1.25" 6060 tube and fitted with one of my 75% reduction brakes. Stock is incomplete and unfinished at this stage as the winged keel is yet to be fitted, but the forend is 3.5 inches wide with a 3/4 inch barrel channel offset. A 200 SMK or 208 Amax at over 3150 fps fired in a gun that has a little more recoil to that of a 6 BR and tracks like a train has to be experienced. Since the drop off in interest for Fly up here and the constraints of the associated rules, guns like this are in the works for a number of shooters as are a couple of HGs with rear adjustable rests. Don't view the last statement as a dig at the Fly rules as such, as i have had a lot of fun with the Fly over the years, but i believe i have already shot my last SOTY Fly so any rules changes in the future are of no concern to me. I will continue to shoot our club Fly matches for RnD for the 600 and 1K as i have done over the last year or so.
Accuracy during fireforming yesterday was very good and early load developement late today was in the .300" area at 200 yards for five shots. Again very impressive and certainly rivals any HG i have owned, but 200 yards means shit in the LR game, so next weekend at the 600 will give a better indication. The stretcher tube is doing the usual widening of the accuracy window with a 7 grain spread of powder weight before the group starts to climb up or down the barrel "flick". Those with tube guns will understand what i mean. Essentially the 200 SMK has a velocity window of 3050 to 3225 fps before the sine gets the group to climb sharply up or down. Still groups there, but just moves the MPI suddenly when the charge window is exceeded. Simply put, from 75 to 81 grains of H4831 will impact the SMK at close to the same place and still hold a group, very desireable when you have big swings in ambient temperature. So single loads of 75, 76, 77, 78, 79, 80 and 81 grains of powder will produce around a .7" group at 200 yards that looks like a little vertical slot, but 77, 78, and 79 will pile into a tiny hole and this is where i suspect i will end up. 78 grains of 4831, 200 SMK at around 3150 fps. H1000 and VV 560 are yet to be tried and more work needs to be done with the 208 Amax, but that will come sometime soon.
Tony Z.
Re: The new breed
Hey TZ
Looks like I will be making those changes to the stock design on my LR plug
Looks like I will be making those changes to the stock design on my LR plug
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Re: The new breed
Looks good.
Can I ask a stupid question - I thought rifles in fly shoots weren't allowed muzzle brakes?
If that isn't a muzzle brake, how does a reduction break differ to a muzzle brake?
Sorry but this is where I get confused.
Can I ask a stupid question - I thought rifles in fly shoots weren't allowed muzzle brakes?
If that isn't a muzzle brake, how does a reduction break differ to a muzzle brake?
Sorry but this is where I get confused.
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Re: The new breed
Mate
He is not shooting Fly anymore.. this rifle will be a 600yd/1000yd LG, which you can use a brake.
Cheers
AI
He is not shooting Fly anymore.. this rifle will be a 600yd/1000yd LG, which you can use a brake.
Cheers
AI
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Re: The new breed
tony
great stuff !!!
as usual, the incorporation of very innovative and different ideas for design and construction
i also like your selection and adaptation of tasmanian tigerwood for the stock.
cheers
dave g
great stuff !!!
as usual, the incorporation of very innovative and different ideas for design and construction
i also like your selection and adaptation of tasmanian tigerwood for the stock.
cheers
dave g
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Re: The new breed
What scope do you have on that monster?
(The silver one)
(The silver one)
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Re: The new breed
Well that is a very interesting read.
I hope she settles down well for you Tony.
So from what i read,maybe I don't need a HG,just a very good LG set up to shoot both LG & HG LRBR.(Hmmmmm?)
Have a good one,
Macca
I hope she settles down well for you Tony.
So from what i read,maybe I don't need a HG,just a very good LG set up to shoot both LG & HG LRBR.(Hmmmmm?)
Have a good one,
Macca
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Re: The new breed
G'Day DHV,
the scope looks like a leupold 36x D series.
Tony Z,very nice and congrats for thinking outside the square, good luck with the new toy, hope you turn a few heads and win a heap!
Cheerio Ned
the scope looks like a leupold 36x D series.
Tony Z,very nice and congrats for thinking outside the square, good luck with the new toy, hope you turn a few heads and win a heap!
Cheerio Ned
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Re: The new breed
very interesting Tony, keep us posted on how she runs..
and what's this winged keel business? thought that was a boat thing?
and what's this winged keel business? thought that was a boat thing?
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Re: The new breed
Hi Klicker,
having been to FNQ 3 times to shoot with, and listening to Tony and JR, and watching them shoot, these guys don't build a gun if it won't work. Their work and results really speak for themselves, their advice is freely given and really worth listening to.I know TZ and aJR will keep us posted
cheers
bowhunter
having been to FNQ 3 times to shoot with, and listening to Tony and JR, and watching them shoot, these guys don't build a gun if it won't work. Their work and results really speak for themselves, their advice is freely given and really worth listening to.I know TZ and aJR will keep us posted
cheers
bowhunter
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Re: The new breed
TZ,
Very sweet mate, the node length part has me really itching
I have my 7x62mm finally done but... without the stretcher tube yet as the stock that suits it is not yet complete. This weekend hopefully.
KY
Very sweet mate, the node length part has me really itching
I have my 7x62mm finally done but... without the stretcher tube yet as the stock that suits it is not yet complete. This weekend hopefully.
KY
Re: The new breed
Hey JR will just have to get a composite stock
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Re: The new breed
Hello aJR, I don't know how you can handle such cold weather, but things are warming up down here nicely.
Hope to see you guys again next year, and many thanks to you and June for your hospitality.
cheers
bowhunter
p.s keep the updates with the new toy coming
Hope to see you guys again next year, and many thanks to you and June for your hospitality.
cheers
bowhunter
p.s keep the updates with the new toy coming