The 7/08 can shoot lovely groups in the right rifle, and horrid ones in the wrong rifle. Just like every other cartridge.....Knackers wrote:Keith, or anybody else with a 7/08, can you please give me an idea as to what sort of groups this cartridge shoots at 100 and 200 yards?
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jb747
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I'd go for the 308. You can buy ammo for it just about anywhere ammo is sold. If you want to hunt Sambar later on then use a 165grn bullet. As Wiz said any of those calibers will do the trick.
I do not know how recoil sensitive you are but a 30 06 with stiff loads or heavy projectiles can be a hand full if the 243 produces noticable recoil for you. Stock design does have some affect on this. I'd suggest going to a range and trying some rifles in the calibers that you are looking at that others are using. If possible try same caliber and projectile in different rifle(stocks). Now before people start carrying on about how little recoil this or that has, remember it pays to work up the "Kick in shoulder" meter and get use to recoil in stages if possible.
Beware the shop that won't get the rifle you want in. Shop around. If you want stainless then get stainless.
Cheers
I do not know how recoil sensitive you are but a 30 06 with stiff loads or heavy projectiles can be a hand full if the 243 produces noticable recoil for you. Stock design does have some affect on this. I'd suggest going to a range and trying some rifles in the calibers that you are looking at that others are using. If possible try same caliber and projectile in different rifle(stocks). Now before people start carrying on about how little recoil this or that has, remember it pays to work up the "Kick in shoulder" meter and get use to recoil in stages if possible.
Beware the shop that won't get the rifle you want in. Shop around. If you want stainless then get stainless.
Cheers
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Mate the 243 wld be perfect for goats and i've seen them drop pigs on the spot too. The only reason I'd use a bigger cal (if i was you) would be if u needed to be sure that a big pig wouldnt dissapear wounded into thick scrub. But in all honesty, the 243 wld be fine for the pigs round here.
If you decided u needed a bigger cal then Id say go for the 30/06. It can be loaded back to 308 velocities if you desire or can be used with a warm load to do everything the 308 can and more.
But if a cheap 308 comes on the market, you'd be wise to grab it.
If you decided u needed a bigger cal then Id say go for the 30/06. It can be loaded back to 308 velocities if you desire or can be used with a warm load to do everything the 308 can and more.
But if a cheap 308 comes on the market, you'd be wise to grab it.
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What about the 280, since it's 7mm you can load right down or up, in a 24' barrel your getting 3100 with 120gr and 2900 with 139 gr hornady
It will cover everything you need and will arrive with more Authority than the 30-06.
Nothing against the 30 ought 6 but in this day and age there are better,more efficient ways of doing the same thing.
It will cover everything you need and will arrive with more Authority than the 30-06.
Nothing against the 30 ought 6 but in this day and age there are better,more efficient ways of doing the same thing.
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ojr
I definitly agree kjd, the 30-06 is a very good cartridge and one that wouldn't surprise if it lasted another 50 odd years,
I know 280s are hard to come by but, Ruger do one, as do Browning, Remington and Weatherby
Maybe not that hard ay. Only need ordered, Infact Hornady have one as there rifle of the year.
Any old 30 ought six can be rebarrelled to the 280, check the Balistics my friend you maybe pleasantly surprised.
I know 280s are hard to come by but, Ruger do one, as do Browning, Remington and Weatherby
Maybe not that hard ay. Only need ordered, Infact Hornady have one as there rifle of the year.
Any old 30 ought six can be rebarrelled to the 280, check the Balistics my friend you maybe pleasantly surprised.
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Just a little joke I play with the lovers of a certain group of cartridges.ojr wrote:Whats the problem with posting the COMPENSATING FOR SOMETHING name[as in compensating for something].
I am fully aware of the ballistics of the 280 and the fact that its parent is after all the 30-06. 7mm bullets have better BC and SD than the 30's I am aware of that but I think in normal hunting ranges <200m that the 30-06 and 280rem's differences really wouldn't come into play!
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ojr
Right ,fine, but put back my weatherby thing will you,
I have a passion for long range shooting ,which is why I entered this forum.
And 200 yrds max, is not the usual hunting ranges for people who frequent this forum
Try deer on a slip 500yrds away and then try and figure out your drop on a 30 cal,
Course it can be done, but the 280 is just that 9" shorter.
Anyway, I might bang on about it but you have got to admit if we didn't have all these other calibers, the 280 would do it all.
Even for the Thar hunter.
I have a passion for long range shooting ,which is why I entered this forum.
And 200 yrds max, is not the usual hunting ranges for people who frequent this forum
Try deer on a slip 500yrds away and then try and figure out your drop on a 30 cal,
Course it can be done, but the 280 is just that 9" shorter.
Anyway, I might bang on about it but you have got to admit if we didn't have all these other calibers, the 280 would do it all.
Even for the Thar hunter.
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ojr
What would you call it then kjd.
I would consider anyone who went out, stalked and found his/her game, took the shot and had a succesfull kill,could call that hunting...
Doesn't matter whether it is five yards in a fiordland forrest or 500 yard+ on a southern alps Thar Hunt.
I would also consider a man who invested his time and money in a decent varmint rifle, a hunter,because he first has to get there, sight his game, then actually hit it.
I don't know about any-one else, but when I first started, a two hundred yrd shot on a peice of paper was alot less nerve racking than lining up a 200yrd shot on a live target.
I missed alot of easy shot because of this feeling.
the 7mm mag is perhaps another post.
Edited to say--Just in case some are wondering. I personally have never shot a Deer at anthing like 500yrds,though there are several over this way who do.
I would consider anyone who went out, stalked and found his/her game, took the shot and had a succesfull kill,could call that hunting...
Doesn't matter whether it is five yards in a fiordland forrest or 500 yard+ on a southern alps Thar Hunt.
I would also consider a man who invested his time and money in a decent varmint rifle, a hunter,because he first has to get there, sight his game, then actually hit it.
I don't know about any-one else, but when I first started, a two hundred yrd shot on a peice of paper was alot less nerve racking than lining up a 200yrd shot on a live target.
I missed alot of easy shot because of this feeling.
the 7mm mag is perhaps another post.
Edited to say--Just in case some are wondering. I personally have never shot a Deer at anthing like 500yrds,though there are several over this way who do.
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When we talk about 7mm V's 30 cal or any other such comparisson we often forget to take bullet diameter into account. BC & SD do play a part eg. 7mm has far more range and velocity than a 45-70. humm Varmiting with a 45-70 
The larger diameter will do 2 things. 1) it will produce a larger wound channel. 2) It will deliver a greater shock or punch on striking the target. To explain. If a javilin hits a target with a 1000 Foot pounds of energy it will go straight through. The animal might not even know it has been hit. Now if a sledge hammer hits with a 1000fp the animal certainly feels it and knows that things aren't right.
I know that the difference between a 30cal and 7mm is not that great but Elmer Kieth noted that a metplat only .001 bigger seemed to have a noticable greater effect.
The larger diameter will do 2 things. 1) it will produce a larger wound channel. 2) It will deliver a greater shock or punch on striking the target. To explain. If a javilin hits a target with a 1000 Foot pounds of energy it will go straight through. The animal might not even know it has been hit. Now if a sledge hammer hits with a 1000fp the animal certainly feels it and knows that things aren't right.
I know that the difference between a 30cal and 7mm is not that great but Elmer Kieth noted that a metplat only .001 bigger seemed to have a noticable greater effect.
