Does the .223 give to much away to the .204?

[trevort]

no problems with opinions. I know its all the nut behind the butt. I'm just saying that your varminting round with a 204 takes out just one more variable that means the nut behind the butt has some assistance from the equipment, Like if you know your holdover with a 223 at 200m but the rabbit is actually at 260m, everything else in the perfect world, your likely to miss with a 223 and hit with a 204.

Like I said though, moot point as he wants to shoot roos. If you are right that he is talking 2 guns (I read it that way too) then its my opinion he gets a 204 instead of a 223 and a 243 or 25/06 for long range roos.

Acknowledge the ammo cost. He didnt say he couldnt afford 204 ammo (which is more expensive than 223 agreed) just asked if it was worth it, I reckon it is.

Keith, show us a photo of your 204

Dave, why did you stop handloading then we wouldnt be having this conversation!

[ogre6br]

The 75 amax I use is pretty good as a varminter and has a lot less drift than most usual .224" varminting pills

More info on using the A-max as a hunting projectile please-
Whats the specs on your rifle using the A-max??

thanks
later
p

[Mudgegonga]

Hornady factory load a 40 gn 204 which drops 4.3' @ 300 and a 40gn 223 which drops 5.3"@ 300. If you are not shooting over a solid rest, back and front, 1" at 300 is a trigger squeeze effect of a std hunting rifle.

I recall an article Nick Harvey wrote about the 223 where he made the point that a reason it is so popular is that the next biggest option is the 22/250. The 22/250 is flatter but that not that much flatter to not take into account the cost of using it, managing fouling, noise, wear and tear, average range of use.

Given the damage the 20 and 22 caliber do to rabbit and fox you could argue that they are not appropriate. If you want a specialst effecient long range cartridge for fox and rabbit you should be looking at the 17 calibers.

I suggest a 17 caliber and then a 24 or 25 caliber is the way to go if you want to effecintly target small Australian ferals.

If you dont want to have 2 rifles for small ferals you will either go a 223 or a 243. You would go to 243 if you are going to be shooting a few pigs and goats.

[Ned Kelly]

G'Day Pat,
the .223 is a David Kerr (vic) accurised Rem700PSS with a 1:8" truflite barrel 26" long, fitted with a jewel HVR set around 4oz, shooting 75 amax's with 2208 at 2850fps or there abouts. With a NF BR scope on top with 20moa tapered bases it shoots about 1.5" high at 100 for a 200 zero and I have the come ups for F class out to 600. It shoots nice tiny little groups within the 1/2moa Fopen 10ring if I do my job right.

A nice looonnnng range varminter

Essentially, I know for 250 I hold about 1" high and I dial in for 300+

I use the sierra ballistic program to give me come ups in 50yd increments.

The 75 amax works very well

I'm currently (and temporarily) setting up my Hall BR rifle for snotting rabbits with the 6ppc. It's got a jewel HVR in it for an eventual F class rifle set up. I'll probably use 55-60gn pills loaded hot and a 6.5-20leupold. With a 20" barrel and 3" foreend it will be a great little "poke 'em out the window" spotlighting rifle ...........whooo hooo

Next year the Hall will be the dedicated LR rifle for targets and varmints (6x47 lapua) and the Rem will be sawn off to about 22" for pokin' out the window and lugging about the bush.........maybe as a ppc with some old target barrels.

then the 1:8 .224 truflite might be set up on the Hall as a 22BR or ppc........so many ideas, so few $............still I'm never bored!

Cheerio Ned

[dave]

might be selling up everything and getting a custom job done and then get back into it when the rifles done, possibly looking at a 7mm wms job maybe???

[kjd]

Keith, show us a photo of your 204

Why would I buy one of those over-hyped peashooters?

[Mudgegonga]

Just back from a quick walk outside. 3 Rabbits 2 foxes. Some where between 180 and 200m. All dead on holds. 17 ackley hornet

[HiWall]

Someone once told me that anything with Hornet in its name was an old clunky POS. I didn't believe them!!!

[trevort]

I would owm a 17AH if there was unlimited gunsafe space and $$ no problem whatsoever.

Keith, I thought you must have bought one since you always have an opinion on them and we all know an opinion without actual experience is.... well....just an opinion

[tikka]

ok does the 204 have legs as long as the 22-250? and which one shoots flattest??

[kjd]

Keith, I thought you must have bought one since you always have an opinion on them and we all know an opinion without actual experience is.... well....just an opinion

Mate the 204 is the new 243.... Overplayed overhyped and really it does nothing significant over the 22-250 so I reckon if you've shot a 22-250 you've shot a superior round than the 204 why would anyone want to go backwards (apart from be apart of the latest fad)...











Trev mate I'm only messing with you!!!

[bushchook]

Slight edge to the .204 in terms of trajectory and wind drift . The .22/250 has more energy downrange . .243 with 55gn ballistic tips has the edge on both .

[trevort]

it does a little better than the 22/250 on both trajectory and wind drift with less powder. As a hunting round, only reason to opt for the 250 is heavier projies for bigger animals. Depends on what you want to shoot.

I sold my factory 204 to a guy who loved his 250. he loves his 204s more now (yeah he liked it that much he bought a new VSSF too) You will find the only people who bag the 204 dont have one.



Keith, how do i do really small writing? might have worked it out

[trevort]

seems I didnt work it out

[try again/size]

[kjd]

lol your missing a ]

Besides that I've been reeling you in since my first post in this thread mate lol.

The 204 whilst it doesn't interest me I'm sure is a very good varmint round.