6.5 Creedmoore invasion

[kickinback]

all I can say is every man and his cat has a creedmore ,,,but I have a 260rem

Amen


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[Tony Z]

I read on a blog recently that one the top US PRS shooters was listed as using the 6.5 Creedmoor but was actually using the "Swedemoor". The Creedmoor reamer sunk in to 6.5x55 depth. The said shooter posted later claiming he was getting 3K with Re26 and 140 grain pills. How odd the equipment lists lie and that a shooter may want a velocity gain that would rival the 6mils.
The logical step for a Creedmoor for me is the reamer sunk in to 308 depth where you bypass the brass extortion racket and gain close to 150 fps with powders we get here.
What is not being said about the Creedmoor is that the public cannot get the Hyperformance powder Hornady uses to get the claimed factory velocities that no ADI powder can safely reach. CFE 223 or Re16 is about as good as we will see here.
What people are failing to realize is that the Creedmoor looks good on paper only with the high BC bullets currently available. Take those same bullets and put them in a 260 or Swede and the Creedmoor looks very anemic when the real world of handloading sinks in. What is tiring is listening to Creedmoor owners compare factory data to handload data for the other cartridges. Those same shooters i have dealt with have rifles that are ordinary accuracy wise. Very ordinary even at a 100 yards. To get the accuracy they at some point will have to handload. That is when the velocity gods won't be so kind and the chronos may tell lies.

[Seddo]

I've had a 6.5 Creedmoor (on my 3rd) since 2013, I had to buy a reamer and import all components and dies as no one here had one so I'm not a Johnny come lately on this one. The reason I built one was the way the 260 round had to be loaded to mag feed with 140's. I ended up loading 123's in my 260 as the 140's pushed into the powder column and I don't like that.




I've pushed 140's into the mid 2900's in a Creedmoor and a 27" barrel. I've backed it down to the mid 2700's to make it easier on the brass, I've got a load in the 2800's as well. To date I've only used hornady brass but I've got 2 boxes of lapua to try.

I'm happy with the accuracy of mine and reloads but I've never tried factory ammo so I can't comment there.



I still have my 260 but haven't shot it on a while. I have a 260AI that's a single shot and it's a tack driver too.

If you want a repeater with 140's I'll always say buy a Creedmoor. If you ask me about buying a Creedmoor in a tikka or other factory rifle I wouldn't comment as I wouldn't want to own one of those either.

Don't bash the calibre based on the comments of some of the owners.


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[lee_enfield223]

nice 300m group ! what reamer-brand/barrel/action combo did you use ??? and yes to me the creedmoore does have one other advantage over the 260rem and that's the shoulder angle, I bet that you get less lengthening of your brass .

[Seddo]

nice 300m group ! what reamer-brand/barrel/action combo did you use ??? and yes to me the creedmoore does have one other advantage over the 260rem and that's the shoulder angle, I bet that you get less lengthening of your brass .

I do prefer the shoulder angle (not as sexy at the 260AI) but I can't comment on brass stretching, I started with 400 cases and they have only fired 3-4 times.

PTG to suit factory 140gr ammo.
Stiller/Lilja combo.



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[lee_enfield223]

I always like those mcmillian a5 stocks in that camo pattern, and thanks for the reamer info, I am pretty sure that's a tac30 action as well, anyway it looks the part.

[Seddo]

I always like those mcmillian a5 stocks in that camo pattern, and thanks for the reamer info, I am pretty sure that's a tac30 action as well, anyway it looks the part.

Very close, Tac30AW.

[Tony Z]

This is the rundown from both empirical data calculated from bullet drop and chronographed velocities of the various 6.5s used over a number of years in PRS. It does show the shooter in question i mentioned in my earlier post of what is labeled as a "6.5x55 Improved". I would be cautious of that figure 3000 fps though as it would only be possible with the use of Re23 or 26 in my view. Re23 annd 26 do have a considerable velocity advantage in some cartridges as does Re17 Re17. Some of the high end velocities shown, and likewise the low end, particularly in the Lapua 6.5x47, are highly suspicious but were used for data reasons.
The numbers from Pete Smith and Trevor Armstrong who have both had 6.5x55 Rogues for FClass competition for a number of years, claim 2880 is the number where most 6.5/284s they competed against were in the safe zone at 2930 fps with 139 to 142 grain bullets.
What this graph clearly shows, even with a couple of anomalies in claimed velocities, the less is more theory is false. Less is quite simply less.

[Camel]

WOW Tony, who would have thought that a larger case capacity would give more velocity,

[Rabbitz]

Good grief Tony!

How long have you been in this game?

Surely you know by now that facts, evidence and logic have no place in deciding on a cartridge...

[Tony Z]

Yes indeed Mark. So why do we both own 20 and 17/222s? I do cause I'm a tight arse with hundreds of 222 cases laying about from the old days. But you? Jack tells me you're rolling in it. Time for that 17/338 Lap

[Tony Z]

Rabbitz ive been around too long. Old and grumpy and no time for hype. Always took a statistical lean to competition when running cartridges or pills. Always been function over fashion. I remember when the 6x47 Lap was in vogue. Outrageous velocities being claimed. Now the dust has settled and the real numbers have filtered through. I will say though through all the hype, the 6SLR is a seriously good cartridge and does the numbers. One of the few and one i find surprisingly missing in either PRS or FClass. Rod with his "varmint gun", if anyone can, may change that. With the new RDF pills i think it could really change things. It's where i would head.

[Camel]

Yes indeed Mark. So why do we both own 20 and 17/222s? I do cause I'm a tight arse with hundreds of 222 cases laying about from the old days. But you? Jack tells me you're rolling in it. Time for that 17/338 Lap

Ha ha At least you have a reasonably sound reason/argument for it mate, me, shit I just do it cause it either feels good or I am a weirdo, dont know which.

As for Mr Saligari, pffft, he followed my lead, so how crazy/weird does that make him.

[Con]

Just to refresh on the 'invasion' ... was at Melbourne Gun Works on Friday and apparently the T3X Varmints are enroute.

Just in case somebody needs 'enabling' ...
Cheers...
Con

[trevort]

Just to refresh on the 'invasion' ... was at Melbourne Gun Works on Friday and apparently the T3X Varmints are enroute.

Just in case somebody needs 'enabling' ...
Cheers...
Con

No thanks Con


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