1000yd br /500m fly start up advice

[dg]

a few pikkies of the HG aficionados

[trevort]

Cheers Jeff, I think I'll stick to small powder charges.

Dave I've just spent an hour reading stuff from that link. Including your interview with an American shooter.

It looks like it doesn't really matter which cartridge I choose

[dg]

yeah mate

it is a hard decision and to complicate things as you would be well aware, there are also the very successful chamberings for fly and 1000ydBR in the 6mm dasher, 6mmBRDX (which jacko used today to win the Canberra fly and in july, despite my best efforts to knobble him and his gear, he won the light gun at the SCC this year as well).

factors such as case forming, neck turning yes or no, reamer availability, barrel twist selection, reloading die availability, expected accurate barrel life and ease of tuning/load development etc etc also need to be considered.

cheers
dave

[kickinback]

Just buy a tikka Trev.


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[trevort]

Glen think how much pleasure you will get when you and your mctikka kick my arse


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[Rinso]

Rinso what sort of dollars?
I know the scope and stock and barrel and trigger. They are the easy bits. Calibre and cartridge is the more difficult choice. I still have redding comp dies for 6x47l but is there much of a gain in compensation for poor wind reading to go with a smaller 6.5 launching Say 130 gn pills?
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Trev,
I am not sure of the money but I can make enquiries for you. I will let you know.
Yes calibre and cartridge can be difficult but you can simplify the options ie
You don't need to be neck turning false shoulders to make Dasher cases, or buying hydraulic dies to form cases before firing. (Nothing against those who do this, they obviously have the time to waste) A simple 6mmBR held the LG score record until recently and I think lost that record to a simple 6x47 Lapua these cases are easy to form from Lapua brass. As dg pointed out 1000yd BR record in the USA 6.5x47 Lapua
again simple case Lapua brass. 260AI Lapua brass no fancy neck turning required.
Since you have dies for 6 x 47 Lapua I would do that and run 103 Copperheads over a load of 2213SC.
260AI or 6.5x47 Lapua running 123 Lapua's or 130 Bergers again over 2213SC would be my preferred choice
I would also say barrel choice is harder than people think, I have seen many a good rifle and shooter under perform because of poor barrel choice. I agree trigger is a no brainer Jewel every time.
So lets say 6x47 Lapua based on a BAT action, Jewell trigger, 28 inch 1:8 twist barrel, ambidextrous thumbhole stock (laminate) and 12-42 NF in Kelby rings with a 20MOA rail.
If you decide on a 6BR I have some Wilson dies I don't require.
A solid rest and quality rear bag is all you need.

[kickinback]

Just a few questions for you Dave.

What's the weight limit for LG?
Are muzzle brakes permitted?
Where can I find your rule book to prevent more posts like this one?

Thanks

Glen


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[trevort]

Rinso what sort of dollars?
I know the scope and stock and barrel and trigger. They are the easy bits. Calibre and cartridge is the more difficult choice. I still have redding comp dies for 6x47l but is there much of a gain in compensation for poor wind reading to go with a smaller 6.5 launching Say 130 gn pills?
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Trev,
I am not sure of the money but I can make enquiries for you. I will let you know.
Yes calibre and cartridge can be difficult but you can simplify the options ie
You don't need to be neck turning false shoulders to make Dasher cases, or buying hydraulic dies to form cases before firing. (Nothing against those who do this, they obviously have the time to waste) A simple 6mmBR held the LG score record until recently and I think lost that record to a simple 6x47 Lapua these cases are easy to form from Lapua brass. As dg pointed out 1000yd BR record in the USA 6.5x47 Lapua
again simple case Lapua brass. 260AI Lapua brass no fancy neck turning required.
Since you have dies for 6 x 47 Lapua I would do that and run 103 Copperheads over a load of 2213SC.
260AI or 6.5x47 Lapua running 123 Lapua's or 130 Bergers again over 2213SC would be my preferred choice
I would also say barrel choice is harder than people think, I have seen many a good rifle and shooter under perform because of poor barrel choice. I agree trigger is a no brainer Jewel every time.
So lets say 6x47 Lapua based on a BAT action, Jewell trigger, 28 inch 1:8 twist barrel, ambidextrous thumbhole stock (laminate) and 12-42 NF in Kelby rings with a 20MOA rail.
If you decide on a 6BR I have some Wilson dies I don't require.
A solid rest and quality rear bag is all you need.

agree with pretty much all you said. I'll order the action and think about 6x47l or a 6.5 something (like maybe SLR) while its on the way

[dg]

hi glenn

all up weight for the IBS light gun is 17lb.

muzzle brakes are permitted in HG and LG.

for our International HG (unlimited weight) and LG classes we follow IBS guidelines.( all blind shooting)

for the standard class LG (marked shooting- targets are pulled and marked after every shot-location of all shots shown to competitors) is also 17lb, we used to offer a Std HG class but as we kept losing money on trophies/prizes due to few if any wishing to shoot this class, it has been removed from the SCC.

it seems that, most now recognise, accept and support that running and recognising the International and Std classes as separate events is the only equitable solution to eliminate all of the previous problems with LRBR in this country.

as you might have noticed with the wind deflection figures, due to the 308 shooters having to deal with around 40-50 % more wind drift, we took the initiative to recognise their greater difficulties and also offer a std 308 and international 308 class with separate prizes and rewards.

308 shooters in both classes also have their results automatically entered in the both LG classes as well.

the weight limit for the std LG and 308 classes is 10kg - hopefully this allows and encourages f class competitors to experience 1000yd BR without having to modify their equipment.

Dubbo gunsmith, peter kay, used a 308 to win both the International LG and 308 classes in the first Southern Cross Rendezvous in 2012.

this year due to the tough conditions, no 308 shooters were able to keep all shots on paper over the two days of competition.

both trev and yourself are in the 2017 SCC and GunPro draws.

as can be seen from the above, our rule book is basically the IBS guidelines for the International classes and commonsense and shooter opinions and needs for the 308 and Std classes.

cheers
dave

[Rinso]

Only my opinion but I would not consider an SLR, its basically a modified 243 case which offers little benefit in my eyes. The 6x47 and 6BR will drive 103's accurately and fast enough.
If you want to use speed to beat wind the SLR won't do it you really need to go to a bigger case and burn more powder and that creates a whole new series of problems ie recoil, bullet destruction and short barrel life to name a few. Ask yourself why certain calibre cartridge combo's are on the winners list and others are not even on the equipment list. You don't have to re invent the wheel.
That said you will do what you will.
Just remember that no matter how fast you push the bullet, the wind will still bite you.

[trevort]

Rinso if is a 6mm it will be the 6x47l

Thinking of the 6.5 SLR. If the 6.5x47l works well and the longer neck gets part of the credit, well, similar theory with longer neck and a bit more powder. Basically a longer necked 260 rem

[Rinso]

I would stay with 6mm but if 6.5 I would go with the 6.5x47 Lapua or 260AI

[RDavies]

I cant believe not many people mentioned the 6 Dasher. In a 17lb gun, recoil is minimal and it has the runs on the board with results in big matches. Otherwise the 6.5x47 is another great one for fly shoots and 1000yd BR. I think for a starter, a 17lb LG in one of these 2 calibers would be most versatile. With no muzzle brake you can use the same gun in fly shoots, 1000yd BR and F class.. As a light gun you can use normal type rests and components, not burn too much powder.

I gotta say though that I do love shooting a 35kg 300WSM.

[trevort]

so Rod if you were using the 47mm long lapua case you would leave it as a 6.5MM?

And yes I have seen dashers win matches but they were being run by blokes with a lot better wind reading ability than me.

I should have had this bright idea at the missedathon and talked about more sensible stuff around the fire!!

[jacko-2]

trevort,,this is a no brainer,,6mm dasher non neck turn, realoader 15 and wot ever pill ,,then go shoot the smallest groups you can dream of,,these r scary accurate,,6.5 wot ever,, if u do one u dont wont to win ,,just pull your hair out,,, my 1 cent worth jacko