JasonF wrote:The pecking order in my experience seems to be BP way in front, followed by Shell, then Caltex/Woolies, with the rest being used as an absolute last resort. Does that ring true with other's experience?
Here the one truck drops off at woollies, shell and Mobil so any difference is going to be down to the condition of the tanks not what is going in.
Wouldn't be at all surprised if the same holds true for a lot of places, if it is the same fuel going into the tanks then it comes down to the condition of the tanks, more individual servos rather than brand.
You forgot what the servo adds. I have seen buckets of something poured into the tanks at a particular servo i was buying cheap gas from.
There is also which tank they purge the overflow and rain into. When the driver fills the tanks, any spillage that comes off the house and any water that is sitting in the filling area from either rain or housing the driveway, whatever, is all purged into one of the fuel tanks, this varies from servo to servo with some i have seen going into the pulp some into the diesel and some into the plain old ulp, yet to see one go into the e10 but it is not something that i regularly check either. here is some photos fom an inline filter that i pulled off a while ago, but the servo can not be blamed for this one.
Probably should add, if you get sand in your filter there is probably a crack in the pipes or a loose fitting at your chosen servo.
If like Buff you wish to use an injector cleaner, assuming they all work, please be mindful that given its objective is to break down whatever particles you are trying to push through your injector that if you have a dirty tank or filter that you will also be trying to dissolve this and if you succeed in making it small enough to pass through your filter then it will be in your injectors. I am not trying to tell anybody to either do it or not just giving you something to think about
JasonF wrote:The pecking order in my experience seems to be BP way in front, followed by Shell, then Caltex/Woolies, with the rest being used as an absolute last resort. Does that ring true with other's experience?
Here the one truck drops off at woollies, shell and Mobil so any difference is going to be down to the condition of the tanks not what is going in.
Wouldn't be at all surprised if the same holds true for a lot of places, if it is the same fuel going into the tanks then it comes down to the condition of the tanks, more individual servos rather than brand.
You forgot what the servo adds. I have seen buckets of something poured into the tanks at a particular servo i was buying cheap gas from.
There is also which tank they purge the overflow and rain into. When the driver fills the tanks, any spillage that comes off the house and any water that is sitting in the filling area from either rain or housing the driveway, whatever, is all purged into one of the fuel tanks, this varies from servo to servo with some i have seen going into the pulp some into the diesel and some into the plain old ulp, yet to see one go into the e10 but it is not something that i regularly check either. here is some photos fom an inline filter that i pulled off a while ago, but the servo can not be blamed for this one.
Assuming 20000 litre tanks they must be pretty bloody busy with the buckets for it to make 3 parts of fck all difference...
Also rain overflow, into purge tanks etc. granted I don't know that much about working in a servo but that makes no sense at all
I was told that they can sell the fuel with up to 5% added water.
My truck only goes to BP or Caltex.
I recall running the Mazda on the E10 and it began sounding like a sewing machine. It also began to run hotter. I quickly reverted back to 98.
Some years ago (whilst in QLD) and when the E10 became an option, I recall the numerous problems that arose and it wasn't uncommon to see a new vehicle broken down on the side of the road (generally miles from nowhere). My old mechanic did an analysis on the fuel the Indians were selling (his workshop was co-joined with the premises). I remember walking in one day to pick up my vehicle an here he was with this canister and analysing the fuel and there being evidence of water and another sticky substance present that was the ethanol and that was causing all of the problems.
Now that I'm again running a Diesel, I won't ever go back to running a petrol powered vehicle as a daily driver.
fuel generally floats on water so 5% water would seem funny.
Grimo it is not a lot off rain or anything else that gets purged at one time but the buildup is the problem. The fillers for the tank are recessed below the surface and it is in this pit that anything that has washed or ran into is purged into the tank. generally unless the pump has a problem and is internally disintegrating which does happen, most of the crap you get in diesel is the shit that sits on the bottom of the tank and is stirred up by the dumping of more fuel into the tank, a bit like putting a hose into a bucket and turning it on. There is a time limit supposedly enforced which from memory I think is 2 hours between when the tanker delivers diesel and when the servo is allowed to sell it allowing time for the tank to settle hence y you sometimes see a truck delivering but out of order signs on the pump or no price for diesel on the sign. Obviously this could be hard to regulate.
I don't use diesel but feel that Shell has the most stable fuel (tank to tank). However, I hate the 10% ethanol ULP sold in country areas..,zero overtaking power compared to V power (98 octane ). I'd like to try 100 but they don't sell it locally anymore.
The Raven wrote:I don't use diesel but feel that Shell has the most stable fuel (tank to tank). However, I hate the 10% ethanol ULP sold in country areas..,zero overtaking power compared to V power (98 octane ). I'd like to try 100 but they don't sell it locally anymore.
Not the 10% ethanol more the lower octane rating that would be the reason for any decrease in performance. Straight ethanol actually has a rating of around 108, V8 super cars have been running E85 85% ethanol for years it's around 104.
E10 may not even be 10% ethanol the 10% is the maximum allowed.
Curtley78 wrote:I was told that they can sell the fuel with up to 5% added water.
I think in relation to diesel, they can run up to a 5% bio-diesel blend before needing to declare it as such. My understanding is that only Shell adds bio-diesel, which is why some people avoid that retailer.
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The Raven wrote:I don't use diesel but feel that Shell has the most stable fuel (tank to tank). However, I hate the 10% ethanol ULP sold in country areas..,zero overtaking power compared to V power (98 octane ). I'd like to try 100 but they don't sell it locally anymore.
Not the 10% ethanol more the lower octane rating that would be the reason for any decrease in performance. Straight ethanol actually has a rating of around 108, V8 super cars have been running E85 85% ethanol for years it's around 104.
E10 may not even be 10% ethanol the 10% is the maximum allowed.
Yep, I appreciate it's not the ethanol in E10 that kills performance. V Power 100 Octane has ethanol in it, and a cool sticker on the pump that says it's not suitable for aviation use...
That reminds me of an old Nissan Turbo EXA we had, the waste gate sticker warned the turbo wasn't suitable for aviation use (I know why but...). Couldn't figure out why anyone would take such a small turbo off a car and shove it on any aircraft.
The Raven wrote:
Yep, I appreciate it's not the ethanol in E10 that kills performance. V Power 100 Octane has ethanol in it, and a cool sticker on the pump that says it's not suitable for aviation use...
That reminds me of an old Nissan Turbo EXA we had, the waste gate sticker warned the turbo wasn't suitable for aviation use (I know why but...). Couldn't figure out why anyone would take such a small turbo off a car and shove it on any aircraft.
I remember when I first left school and went jackarooing out past Bourke, contract muster turned up, taxied his plane straight up to the old overhead super tank, slipped a stocking over the nozzle and filled her up.
Asked why the stockings and he replied they had fished a couple of mice out of the plane tank last time they cleaned it. I declined the invitation to go up with him.
I declined the invitation to go up with him.