Jim Clifford Trophy

[dg]

Most people would be well aware that Jim Clifford is the custodian of the longest standing Australian 1000yd BR record.

Jim presently holds the Australian IBS LG record for the smallest group of 3.285” which he set in July 2003 with his 308.

Compared to the ballistic advantages of many other calibres, all experienced competitors would readily acknowledge the additional degree of difficulty associated with shooting calibres such as the 308 or 223 in LRBR.

Therefore as recognition of Jim’s achievement and as an incentive to promote and reward 308 & 223 participants in 1000yd BR, the Narromine Dubbo Rifle Club has established and will award the Jim Clifford Trophy to the top shooter for group aggregate in both the Traditional and Standard Classes for the Light Gun Categories in future bi-monthly 1000yd BR club competitions.

cheers
dave goodridge

[albow]

Superb idea Dave.

If you keep doing things like this to encourage shooters to come and play you will need to have nominations at N-D 12 months in advance

[Leeroy]

Not to take anything away from Jim's outstanding effort, but..
I guess Richard Wild's 2.067" group shot at last years 1K BR ASG in Brisbane dosn't count eh Dave...

Leeroy

[dg]

Leeroy

glad that you are not taking anything away from Jim's outstanding effort with his 308.

Internationally, at all clubs that shoot in the spirit and to the rules of IBS 1000yd BR competition, Richard's group would not be recognised or sanctioned.

Perhaps the Brisbane club should follow our example at Narromine Dubbo and introduce the RW Trophy which would be awarded to the top shooters in both the Traditional and Standard Class Light Gun 1000yd BR Competitions who use either a 308 or 223.

We all need to work together to promote 1000yd BR in this country from both a domestic and international perspective.

Equity and choice can do wonders for increasing interest and participation in this sport on both a club and national level.

dave g

[Rinso]

Leeroy,

Jim presently holds the Australian IBS LG record for the smallest group of 3.285” which he set in July 2003 with his 308.

Methinks you are either just being provocative (which is not very helpful to the sport) or you failed to read the post as it is intended.

Jim still holds the IBS LG record as Richard (and I take nothing away from the man or the group he shot, it was an outstanding effort that will take some beating) shot the card marked I heard. That is outside the IBS rules ... I think it was clearly stated that Jim held the IBS record.

Also the trophy concerned is targeted at 223 & 308 shooters mostly NRAA members you would think and Jim shot his record with a 308 rifle designed for NRAA shooting. I see a relevance there .. maybe its just me.

Either way you are nit-picking in my opinion. Dave Goodridge would be the first to shake Richards hand and has shot many many 1K matches with Richard so there is no way any slight was aimed at Richard.

None of this helps 1K BR mate .... and that should be what we are all trying to do, grow the sport. Leave the silly behaviour to others following less noble pursuits than 1K BR and lets try and say only nice things about 1K BR. Remember the old adage "if you can't say something nice .... "

Dave Purcell

[a.JR]

Hey Leroy, How come all we hear about is that 2inch group ,what about the Aggs .. A quick report on the years averages would go a long way towards telling us how great you shooters are in Brisbane ,, Hell i bet there just as impressive as that single 2incher is .... Go no you know you want to ..JR..Jeff Rogers

Not to take anything away from Jim's outstanding effort, but..
I guess Richard Wild's 2.067" group shot at last years 1K BR ASG in Brisbane dosn't count eh Dave...

Leeroy

[bowhunter]

To get this post back on the original track, Dave I think it's a great idea and wil bring a 308 to the first N/D shoot after the federal cup.

cheers
Tim

[justjeff]

Dave,

Great idea, good to see someone trying to grow our sport.

Leeroy, I think Rinso has said it all. I personally struggle with the credibility of marked shooting after seeing the doctored pic of the 2" Brisbane target. It was shot marked, why do we see it on a fresh target? Something to hide or be ashamed of?

Jeff

[Tony Z]

I think the 308 is a very maligned cartridge in this sort of shooting and if you look at the current results coming out of the FClass ranks, the FStandard rifles are equaling and sometimes bettering the results against the FO rifles in the aggregates on the new target. I think given these results the likes of Matt P and Barb Moritz would rival many LGs with their present prone rifles. What does sort of limit these rifles somewhat is that they play around with the 155s, but replace them with the 175 SMKs and these 308s take on a new light. Bobby L up here in the early years gave nothing away to the likes of the 7 mils and such when it came down to aggregates when he used the 175s in his 13 twist Maddco 308 barrel. I think the 308 is all too often passed over and if looked at closely it should be the go to cartridge more often as it has near bomb proof cases in the Lapua offering.
It is no surprise to me that this blind record still exists and i feel it is a great idea that it has been acknowledged in this way. We may get to see some-one take a hold of this and run with it to the point that some of the current six and ten match records could be threatened. Someone like Rod Davies for example is some-one i think could give it a real showing with all that FClass experience. Matt P i believe is going to return to regular 1K competition so he would be another to watch. No doubt there are a few others that would be equally capable.
Great idea and good luck to all.

[singleshot]

I think the 308 is a very maligned cartridge in this sort of shooting and if you look at the current results coming out of the FClass ranks, the FStandard rifles are equaling and sometimes bettering the results against the FO rifles in the aggregates on the new target. I think given these results the likes of Matt P and Barb Moritz would rival many LGs with their present prone rifles. What does sort of limit these rifles somewhat is that they play around with the 155s, ..............
Great idea and good luck to all.

Tony, you saved me a lot of typing. I predicted the top FS shooters would be at, near or better than FO shooter aggs. at various shoots. A fully sorted 308 is something to be respected in the hands of a great wind reader.

We went to our first comp for the year last weekend. My good wife won FO. One point ahead of the F Standard winner...Ernie Mace who is an accomplished condition reader. Our new targets are really tight, this has raised the bar again and is going to lift the standard of accuracy even higher. As you know it is the Agg that counts so even less room for error

I agree the 155g projectiles in 30cal are a limiting factor out at 1000y....but I have witnessed some amazing feats over the years with the 308.

PS the missus used her trusty 6.5x55 with new Krieger barrel.

Cheers
Cameron

[Rinso]

Tony, you saved me a lot of typing. I predicted the top FS shooters would be at, near or better than FO shooter aggs. at various shoots. A fully sorted 308 is something to be respected in the hands of a great wind reader.

Cameron,

Any well sorted rifle is to be respecetd in the hands of a great wind reader in my experience, calibre matters less than actual ability at the end of the day. I do agree however that the 308 is better than it is rated and this is mostly due to the continued commitment to the 155, as Tony mentioned the 175 changes everything.

Conragtualtions to the better half on the result as well.

[dg]

N-D 1000yd BR Light Gun -

Traditional and Standard Class

Jim Clifford Trophies

for competitors using 308 or 223 calibres

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cheers
dave g

[Tony Z]

Dave i have decided to run a 308 in the Clifford trophy for the entirety of this year as the Townsville entrant. Now just to clarify, this 308/223 class is as per what can be shot on an NRAA range in either 1K, FClass, TR or MR, or any other rifle, factory or otherwise that meets the LG weight of 17 pounds? No neck turn chambers and bullet and powder selection open?

[justjeff]

Tony,

That's cheating, be a good boy.

Jeff

[dg]

Tony

It would be great if you were to enter the N-D Jim Clifford Trophy. Obviously, you have investigated and budgeted for the travel costs. I thought time could also possibly be a problem, but then i realised you would have a month each way to travel down and back for the bi-monthly events.

Obviously, you would be entering the Traditional LG 308/223 event, rules as per regular IBS LG competiton.

For the Standard Class LG events, we have amended the rules so that F Class Open and F Class Std shooters can participate ( 10 kg weight limit) and shoot using their bi-pods. Alternatively, they are free to use regular bench rests if they wish.

cheers
dave