Custom rimfire barrel or Factory.??

[Rinso]

........ Then there is Sean's contributions ..... now I have stated my opinion on rimfire shooting before and I note Bec has raised it here again ...

I can only conclude that Sean had someone else hit him in the head with a brick. It is obvious it was someone that didnt like him because they seem to have caused permanent damage.

We should all toss our rifles away buy clapped out old Annie's without tuners or bedding and adjust tension by using a lefthanded screwdriver whilst holding the rifle between our feet at a 45 degree angle before flipping it over and changing hands with the screwdriver .. dont forget to have your tongue out whilst doing this or it wont work.

Yea, yea Dave whatever.

I think most on this forum disregard your opinions as most do the prices that you demand for broken down and well worn equipment but then again one would expect these kind of comments from a 'special needs employee' from within the public service.

Regards

Sean

That would be why YOU keep buying stuff from me then would it ?????

[trevort]

I know i shouldnt but sometimes you just cant help yourself

apart from the evidence of the posts here, well talking about credibility between the forum idiot and rinso

this bloke
http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/news/n ... 1114002791. I couldnt find the one about Anzac day, you could tell us that story Sean.

or someone who has been a SOTY


hmmmm let me think a while longer about who I might take advice from................

[Knackers]

[chris.tyne]

Most of all have fun .. its meant to be fun ... It is fun ... I have won more matches when I was having fun than I ever have when I was trying to be serious.

Mate a more accurate statment I have not heard as I know exactly what you mean...............................and I cant seem to get out of that hole.




Regards Chris.

[SnipeWench]

If factory barrels aint as good as a custom barrel like some of you are suggesting and lets stick with a manufacturer like Anschutz. Wouldnt you think Anschutz a well respected multi billion dollar company, would BUY OUT one of these PISS ANT SO CALLED CUSTOM BARREL makers and have them installed into there firearms and be DONE WITH IT in the 1ST place. Im not saying for one minute EVERY Factory barrel that comes from Anschutz is a Shooter , But then Again Can any of you PROVE that EVERY CUSTOM one IS ?

Agree. But I'd like to put a couple of examples out there:

In this thread by GJS, compare the first and last few photos (borescope photos). A factory (Sako) barrel, and a custom (Lilja) barrel. I don't know how old the factory barrel is, or how new the Lilja is, but that's pretty bad rifling in the factory barrel.

I have a Sako Finnfire Range 22LR rifle, fitted with a factory barrel. It shoots pretty well. The bore is like a mirror. It's a 6-groove barrel. The Lilja on my FWB bench gun is a 4-groove one. Bill Calfee is playing around with minimally invasive barrels at the moment, and Lilja will be making them. These customs are designed to minimise the distortion inferred on the round by the rifling, making it more accurate.

I also have an Anschutz 22LR target rifle, completely standard, including the factory barrel. As far as I can see, it doesn't need a tuner, and I don't need to change the barrel. If I wasn't doing prone, I'd have it in a BR stock in a heartbeat and be shooting that too! This rifle is more accurate than I am - it's one of those keeper rifles you hope to never part with, nor have its barrel shot out.

At the end of the day, it's horses-for-courses. If the rifle doesn't shoot, and you re-barrel it with a Maddco, Shilen, Lilja, whatever, it's a custom rifle. I'd think that, with a factory barrel, they sometimes produce poor barrels, most times produce good barrels, rarely produce outstanding barrels. For the money, I'd expect an outstanding barrel from Lilja/Shilen/etc every time.

I have to agree with Rinso when it does come down to mind set when shooting. Yesterday i shot in a comp at an unfamilar range. Lets start buy saying the benches where to tall the seats where to low and i couldnt get comfortable. I decided to shoot whilststanding in a crouched position which wasnt good for the old back but better than trying to strectch with a stool thats to low. To top it off they where to close to one another, all most rubbing elbows with shooters either side of you. I had a shooter to my right who came unprepared and his rifle wasnt sighted in, so after every shot he decided to get up and go ask the rasnge officer where his shots where going. Which is where mind set comes in, if i was focused in what I WAS DOING and not let him up set my shooting i PROBERLY wouldnt have dropped the two shots i did. He finally gave up after 15shots and didnt shoot again. The next two details i shot two 200s,just knowing he was gone help considerably. Cheers Ron

You should have protested this guy. A prize shoot is not the time nor place to sight in rifles.

In the end, you didn't do too badly! Came third!

We had wind, wind, wind today, and there weren't as many benchresters.

- bec

BTW: I came first, shot a 600.51 Joy came second.

[SnipeWench]

Most of all have fun .. its meant to be fun ... It is fun ... I have won more matches when I was having fun than I ever have when I was trying to be serious.

Mate a more accurate statment I have not heard as I know exactly what you mean...............................and I cant seem to get out of that hole.

The definition of fun in smallbore sports:

I attended the Northern Beaches Smallbore Prize Shoot today (held at Manly Vale), and shot in benchrest and prone disciplines. This story is about the prone shoot.

I thought I had the mental part of the shooting ready to go, so I lay down, had to adjust my foresight diameter a tad (from 3.9mm to 3.6mm <-- yes it made a difference!), and proceeded to shoot a reasonable score in the end (I think 577?) for the terrible wind. At the end of the first detail, my left hip was burning, my score was a 192 or something like that, and I was wondering why I should continue.

By the end of the third detail, I was tired, my left hip was scorching (I have an undiagnosed problem with it...), and I didn't really want to do the final (but quietly, I did...).

The final came, I was 6th or 7th overall, so I was in (they took the top 10 shooters). We had to do 10 shots + unlimited sighters in 10 minutes, with 3 + 3 + 2 + 2 shots into the four targets, so shifting position each time.

By the time it started, we were joking around, having fun, my left hip pain was a dim dark past memory, and I shot a 96, which put me in 4th spot. So I went through to the next final. This round had five shooters doing 10 shots + unlimited (!) sighters in 5 minutes. Now, if you've ever done prone before, and shot the NSW smallbore target, you'll know that it's important to get your natural point of aim correct each time you shift to the next target. So, doing 10 shots + sighters into this target group in 5 minutes is hard stuff! I shot a 98, which put me in 2nd place for the final round.

This round was the same 10 shots (+ sighters) in 3 minutes, with the top 3 shooters only. I was having an absolute ball of a time, as it was challenging, fast, shooting. Jennifer Hens was top shooter with a 99 (!! Awesome score for the time allowed). I came equal second with Dave Clifton, so it was off to a shoot-off!

A rank amateur versus a Commonwealth Games shooter!

We started off with 45 seconds of sighters, then shot by shot eliminations. First shot was a nice 10, second shot was a gauged 10, third shot I dropped into the 9, as I'd lined up on the top-right target for the 3rd shot, but just before loading, the range officer said to shoot the bottom right target. No time to change the natural point of aim, and I'd shot the 9.

In the end, I was _so_ glad to have participated in the finals. The end-result was worth it too, but the big part of it was the sheer fun we had doing the shooting.

And that's why I do lots of rimfire benchresting and smallbore shooting!

[Ron Goulding]

Congrats Bec , first by winning the benchrest comp with a perfect score 600/600 Fantasic shooting especially in the wind. Also congrats in making the money shoot off in the prone event and giving Dave a run for his money. You also finished i think 6th in the RBA the day before in strong winds well done, sounds as though you had a great weekend of shooting. See you at the next one. Cheers Ron
PS Re your comment about protest, i just couldnt understand why if he was trying to sight in his rifle why he didnt go up to the end two bays away and sight in there. No excuses i take 100 % resposability for my dropped shots as i shouldnt have let it upset me.

[native hunter]

G"Day All
Well the factory barrel shot me a 200.19 tonight and the .1 was that close it was guaged out .
Im happy with the original barrel for now.
Regards
Native
I will see if i can get a pic up tomoz.!!

[Ron Goulding]

Congrats NH , Thats some really nice shooting with a stock barrel or custom barrel. I managed a 199 19x last night with tin tenex in my br50. And tonight with my NEW 2nd walther i managed 200 13x and i only shot one detail as tonight was prone night for me with tin tenex also. I bought the walther so i can set it up for 4.5kg class , im modifying a 2nd stock i bought off beema and will post some photos when i complete it. Cheers Ron

[native hunter]

Thanks Ron.!!
That was shot with 1056 eley black.
Conditions were great,still the wobbly benches were a test.!!!
Regards
Native

[SnipeWench]

Native,

What I suggest to you is to cut out target 11, and stick it with (in) your ammo box. Every time you look at it, you reinforce the fact that you can hit those centres nicely! Your mind will be bathed in those "feel good" endorphins, and you'll remember back to the day when you scored that sweet-as centre.

Well done! The accuracy is starting to come along nicely for you now. Post more of 'em up!

- bec

[Ron Goulding]

Hi NH , id also keep a track on what you shot it with , being eley most of its written on the pkt , machine number , speed , date manufactured , and what conditions where like hot, cold, etc. And tuner settings if you have one. Cheers Ron
PS im off to find some more tin tenex , whish me luck

[Sam Walker]

Hey Bec, don't sell yourself short, saying you're a rank amateur ! You might be relatively new to the sport but your posts and results read like you have plenty of ability and have really applied yourself to learning all the nitty gritty stuff of competition shooting.

[native hunter]

G"day All
Heres another Hunter BR target I shot last night,we shoot under lights placed at the target and darkness between bench and target stand,no flags.!!
We usually shoot one shot per target but decided to shoot some group last night to conserve targets,it made it hard to count centres.
Not a bad average for a factory barrel.
Regards
Native

[Curtley78]

.....I couldnt find the one about Anzac day, you could tell us that story Sean.
or someone who has been a SOTY hmmmm let me think a while longer about who I might take advice from................

Trevor,

I think you may need have the Doctor check the prescription and dosage your on, I have never made degenerating comments in regard to Anzac day. Perhaps it would now be in your interests to provide fact to your fallacy.

Regards

Sean