Kenny
Not a SSAA member yet. Got on the SSAA NSW web site earlier in the week to get an app form sent to me (my printer died) so will be soon.
Will it be at the Loomberah range? If so, its not far from my place. Wouldn't mind just goin for a look tho, see what goes on as i've never been on a rifle range before. Got a bad dose of broncitis atm, but should be ok by next weekend (i hope )
Yes mate 22's at 200m & centrefire at 500m. Come down bring the mrs (or are you and steven seperated) it'll be a hoot. Shane Clancy, Trev Bent (Ackley Imp), malcolm from here are all going. John Rawson and Mick Farr are going. Col Prest, Jaegan Peet and a few others as well should be a great 2 days of shooting.
I will hold a plate over your head AI but only for a second, then you can catch it.
So wheres the competition....no big names going to Batemans Bay....dont listen to Kenny about a worn out tube...i've seen them shoot with 3" of throat erosion...his is nearly new.
Canberra Fly shoot later in the year is looking good...30br light gun sounds good as well...might even bring the heavy and punish myself shooting both classes.
Well now you's are all in strife
As there's a really good risk I might make it down there after all
Risky enough to nominate anyway.
So with JR's Heavy in tow I plan to give you all a floggin'
Ricky you have a PM
Rinso ..don't listen to Stevo...he is dillusional I think punishing himself shooting two classes is...the only fair thing to do
Dave
I'll elaborate. Same cal,action, barrel, shooter and condition. Add a metric shit load of weight to the stock and increase the fore end width. I bet your score goes up. That is what I think would happen with me and my rifle.
Dave
I'll elaborate. Same cal,action, barrel, shooter and condition. Add a metric shit load of weight to the stock and increase the fore end width. I bet your score goes up. That is what I think would happen with me and my rifle.
I shall ring young Clancy and have him order a stock for you then mate .. ST1000, HBR, Tracker ???? What would you prefer ?
I will donate the lead for the stock (have a heap of shotgun pellets I dont need)
And you can drop the 6.5 into it and become the top 500 M shooter in Australia ... bet it dont work though.
I'll elaborate. Same cal,action, barrel, shooter and condition. Add a metric shit load of weight to the stock and increase the fore end width. I bet your score goes up. That is what I think would happen with me and my rifle.
Lets see
Fed Cup 2006 192.1 3rd LG 11th overall
Fed Cup 2007 229.1 2nd LG 4th overall
I could go on but mate if you improve those scores what would be beating you ????
What do PAOPLE say ? They better watch themselves.
Adding weight and widening the fore-end on rifles i have owned in the past never improved their accuracy at the target end. It did indeed make them more pleasant to shoot at the other end. HG advantage over LG is and should be in the accuracy department with their bigger barrels that can sustain a bit more heat before the accuracy drops off, and because of the big boomers that send their slick pills at 3000 plus fps. Theoritically a LG in 300 WM could do just aswell as a HG if the shooter was not recoil shy. The main advantage some of the good HGs have is being able to track the bullet trail through the target when the mirage is running. So the stock of the HG must be configured in such a way so as when the shot is released the rifle recoils straight back and comes to a stop with the target in full view. This is the biggest advantage a HG has over the LG when the conditions suck and blow. Well it is for me. Most think that weight is all that there is to it, but a 30 pound HG that tracks true is better than a 60 pounder that tracks like a brick on biro springs.
It is all in the stocks and bags and wind flags and scopes. A 3 inch group agg placed over the centre of the target is all that is needed to do well, and there are a shit load of guns around in this country that are able to do this, but very few deliver.
So the stock of the HG must be configured in such a way so as when the shot is released the rifle recoils straight back and comes to a stop with the target in full view. This is the biggest advantage a HG has over the LG
Ummmm....my LG does this... as it's how I made the stock, it also has a wider section towards the pistol grip on the bottom rail to catch in the bag to help with recoil a bit....it sort of wedges into the ears. I was concerned it may unsettle the bag a bit but it seems OK........shhhhh don't tell anyone...it's a secret
I reckon it's really just reading the conditions....and doing the right thing for 5 shots in a row, and maybe a bit of luck thrown in but then again...the blokes who do well at it seem to be 'consistantly' lucky No doubt it takes some skill
The bullet trail ...through the mirage....your jokin' right ?
Rinso/Arra I will see you there...only shooting centrefire but, will pop in on Saturday arvo.
Rinso will ya change that avatar pic.....it's givin' me the horrors tell ya what.... you change it and I will bring the hooters back...OK
G'Day Kenny,
I watched my mate shoot 600yds in Fclass with a 6ppc and 70gnSMK and watched the bullet trace with a 32x bushnell spotter and called every shot before the target was scored, so you can do it and it does happen. Daz placed second after 3/5/600 yds to a 6mm Dasher and a fast twist with VLD's! Whoo Hoo!
Cheerio Ned
No Kenny i am not joking, with our mirage year round, this time now is about the only time we may get mirage that is not too bad and may allow us to see some shots on paper. With my HG, i watch the trail or vortex if you wish, right through the taget and use this as a sighter for my next shot. Sometimes you can be tricked and the trail has you sighter suckered, but not often.
All my 250 scores at Fly have been shot in this way and i consider it a massive advantage over a LG in our mirage. In 1K, i will watch many of our shooters while i am running the match and study their spiral trails in the varying conditions. To do this properly you need to be right over the shooters shoulder and have the spotting scope backed off a bit on the focus and the target at 6 o'clock in the view to catch the trajectory midflight. Very difficult at 1K to get a group size because elevation is hard to see, but the windage is easy to judge.
It never ceases to amaze me as to how far off the centreline some shots can be in relation to some others in the same group, and still form a respectable group. JRs BIBs are great to watch as they appear as a black disc flying arrow perfect through the target. My own 200 SMKs appear as a swirl, and the VLDs like those in 6 and 7 mils appear as a swirl with a long black tail whipping around a central point, which are the most difficult of all to judge consistantly. Generally the more efficient the bullet, the more difficult it is to judge by its trail, and i think that for this reason the BIB and 210 Berger run head to head because the BIB leaves a carbon track to the target, but the 210 is so good when the batch number is right, that the shooter can't see squat with the trail but relies on his POI during the sighter session, and then runs that condition during the record trusting his or her judgement. It is by no accident that most of the names that consistantly turn up winning have HGs at 50 to 80 lbs with about 60 being optimal. Stuart and JRs are both at about 60. The one real anomaly to this is Charles Baileys' old tube gun at around 200 lbs. I reckon he can see the vortex for 800 yards or more but one look at the rest setup tells you that this guy has spent ages perfecting the tracking and slide consistancy. The gun looks like the USS Enterprise out of the scifi series with two frontal pods that track on independant rests and the barrel stretcher looks like an old Vickers with its 6 inch diameter bore casing. Certainly butt ugly, but was so good at kicking butt in Pennsylvania Original, that they changed the rules just so it would not be eligable as the HG limit was reset to 100 lbs. So he built a smaller version and went back and kicked somemore butt. So now they were last heard to be saying that anyone with a first name of Charles, and a last name of Bailey, couldn't shoot anything barr a pee rifle. Dinosaurs.
With the HGs it wouldn't matter if the stock was carved with a chainsaw as long as it tracks and slides right, and with the LGs it's definetely in the stock, which must be perfect, and bag setup to get the repeatability to deliver the group to the same POI as the sighter when often you will never see a shot through paper during the record. Of all the stocks i have seen over a lot of years, the pick for LG would be that of our mad old pommy mate up in Tarzali in FNQ, Phil Mastins new FClass stock. The weight is more rearward with a wider and deeper buttend like our women, to get a true below the boreline CG to counter the torque. I will try to post a pic soon. Don't hold your breath though as last i heard, he was at about a 18 month to 2 year waiting list, and at a finished drop in price of around $1100. Not cheap as you could probably get 2 Trackers in for that money.
This is a brilliant thread, with TZ and others giving highly detailed yet understandable info to the tyro (me) and experienced shooter alike. I should go buy a couple of cartons and bail up TZ and JR for a week or so then I MIGHT learn something.
Keep up the good wok, fellas.
the WOOB
ps. killacat!
I was gonna change that avatar but had to leave it a bit longer just to stop a dill from thinking he had promted it. I have changed it .. so you can relax.
I reckon it's really just reading the conditions....and doing the right thing for 5 shots in a row,
Thats the money right there, I can give someone the best gear, in the best set up but if they can't pick a change it wont save them.
Nothing beats practice, good prep, wind reading skills & patience. Couple these things with capable equipment and your a contender. I see very few rifles at Fly shoots that are not good enough to be in the hunt, the nut behind the bolt is always the hardest to adjust.
the blokes who do well at it seem to be 'consistantly' lucky No doubt it takes some skill
Funny how 10% of the shooters collect 90% of the wins and not just in LR BR seems to apply to most things.
Be great to see you at the Bay .. should be a good weekend
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I think punishing himself shooting two classes is...the only fair thing to do 
tell ya what.... you change it and I will bring the hooters back...OK
