I'm looking for someone in Sydney who distributes/stocks Hornady brass. Can someone point me in the right direction.
Plus,
I've also noticed a lot of Remington brass in the Gun shops, has anyone tried this product and can you comment on the quality.
Flyer
Hornady brass
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jb747
Really rather depends upon what you're shooting, and what you plan on shooting.
As hunting brass it's fine. No different to Winchester.
For more precise use, it requires a fair bit of cleaning up (i.e. cleaning up the primer pockets and partial neck turning to even up the neck thickness, and discarding any heavy or light cases). Once you've done that, it works just fine, and I've had good results, over many firings, from it. Again, no different from Winchester...
As hunting brass it's fine. No different to Winchester.
For more precise use, it requires a fair bit of cleaning up (i.e. cleaning up the primer pockets and partial neck turning to even up the neck thickness, and discarding any heavy or light cases). Once you've done that, it works just fine, and I've had good results, over many firings, from it. Again, no different from Winchester...
I'll be using them in the .204, so I want reasonable quality for varminting, without throwing 30% out.
At the moment I'm using Hornady and have found them to be acceptable, with approx. 80% not showing much variance in capacity.
But everywhere i go these days there seems to be a bag of .204 remington brass, so if they were acceptable I'd go with them.
Comparing them to winchester though is not that good. I settled on winchester for my .222 years ago, before I really knew anything about reloading properly. When I started measuring cases I found that I needed to purge approx 50%. Once that was done accuracy picked up.
So if your saying that Rem is equiv. to Win then I'll need to buy 200 cases to get the 100 I'll live with.
Flyer.
At the moment I'm using Hornady and have found them to be acceptable, with approx. 80% not showing much variance in capacity.
But everywhere i go these days there seems to be a bag of .204 remington brass, so if they were acceptable I'd go with them.
Comparing them to winchester though is not that good. I settled on winchester for my .222 years ago, before I really knew anything about reloading properly. When I started measuring cases I found that I needed to purge approx 50%. Once that was done accuracy picked up.
So if your saying that Rem is equiv. to Win then I'll need to buy 200 cases to get the 100 I'll live with.
Flyer.
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Tim
Hornady Brass
Hi guys, What would you say is an acceptible grain diff between the cases for accurate shooting?
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Ned Kelly
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G'Day All,
I have used new Lapua 220 russian brass fro my 6ppc when weighed into 2 batches that varied no more than 1.5 grains for 20pieces and the other batch was about 4 grains heavier (again within 1.5 gns).
All brass shot the same point of aim.....why, because the necks were all the same wall thickness and trimmed to the same OAL. The critical neck TENSIONS were the same and the weight of each cases had NO apparent effect on accuracy in a BR match
Weight of each case is not important, neck tension is the key.
Cheerio Ned
I have used new Lapua 220 russian brass fro my 6ppc when weighed into 2 batches that varied no more than 1.5 grains for 20pieces and the other batch was about 4 grains heavier (again within 1.5 gns).
All brass shot the same point of aim.....why, because the necks were all the same wall thickness and trimmed to the same OAL. The critical neck TENSIONS were the same and the weight of each cases had NO apparent effect on accuracy in a BR match
Weight of each case is not important, neck tension is the key.
Cheerio Ned
I'm only new to the case measuring business, but in my .222 cases I found a varience of 5 grains. For small cases I reckon that a lot.
Loaded the same way I found that there was a different POI, for cases at either end of the scale.
Not using scietific method, so there could've been other factors for this.
Loaded the same way I found that there was a different POI, for cases at either end of the scale.
Not using scietific method, so there could've been other factors for this.
Re: Hornady brass
Flyer, Save your money ..The only Hornady brass i have been involved with was the 6.5x284 stuff ,in general terms it's crap.. Way to soft ,uneven wall thickness, large weight diff, pretty well could not have been worse ..But if your shooting against me at Fly or 1000yd bench then i think it's a great idea for you to use it, cause it just makes it easier for me to win.. JR. Jeff Rogers..............
flyer wrote:I'm looking for someone in Sydney who distributes/stocks Hornady brass. Can someone point me in the right direction.
Plus,
I've also noticed a lot of Remington brass in the Gun shops, has anyone tried this product and can you comment on the quality.
Flyer
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Ned Kelly
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G'day all,
Just buy top quality components such as lapua brass, it's tough, well made and if you have to cull a lot of cases from another brand then the cost of each case from that brand increases dramatically. Far better to use a better made more expensive case.........
For top flight accuracy you need a well built rifle, quality optics, brass, bullets etc and you will be rewarded with excellent accuracy if you know how to assemble quality ammo. Quality reloads coupled with good optics on a well bedded rifle and tuned trigger you will not be disappointed.
Compromise on any part of the accuracy formula and you must accept the probability of reduced accuracy. It's that simple. Cut corners and you just cannot expect the same level of consistent accuracy.
Remember, the true test of accuracy is not one small group but the long term average group size which includes ALL flyers. That is the rue measure of a rifle & scope and its best load.
Tough decisions but you'll never regret the improved accuracy.
Cheerio Ned
Just buy top quality components such as lapua brass, it's tough, well made and if you have to cull a lot of cases from another brand then the cost of each case from that brand increases dramatically. Far better to use a better made more expensive case.........
For top flight accuracy you need a well built rifle, quality optics, brass, bullets etc and you will be rewarded with excellent accuracy if you know how to assemble quality ammo. Quality reloads coupled with good optics on a well bedded rifle and tuned trigger you will not be disappointed.
Compromise on any part of the accuracy formula and you must accept the probability of reduced accuracy. It's that simple. Cut corners and you just cannot expect the same level of consistent accuracy.
Remember, the true test of accuracy is not one small group but the long term average group size which includes ALL flyers. That is the rue measure of a rifle & scope and its best load.
Tough decisions but you'll never regret the improved accuracy.
Cheerio Ned
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glenn asher
Sorry Ned, but Lapua doesn't make .204 brass yet, so that's out 
. Hornady's .204 brass is pricey, but it's been pretty fair stuff. I use it, and Winchester, because that's about all that's out there right now. Federal's brass is pretty soft, and not much good, and I've never been a fan of Remington brass, unless it's the only thing available. Nosler sells some 'made exclusively for them' Winchester, but it's usually too short for best performance.
. Hornady's .204 brass is pricey, but it's been pretty fair stuff. I use it, and Winchester, because that's about all that's out there right now. Federal's brass is pretty soft, and not much good, and I've never been a fan of Remington brass, unless it's the only thing available. Nosler sells some 'made exclusively for them' Winchester, but it's usually too short for best performance.-
jb747
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Ned Kelly
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G'day all,
I prefer to use lapua as my rifles and for one reason or another they are chambered in calibres that, happily, lapua make brass for.
However, I have used remington, winchester and norma in the past and I've found you can make these brands into quality brass that gives excellent accuracy, you just need to do more preparation work to allow it to perform to the level that I prefer i.e. neck turning, flash hole deburring, and primer pocket uniforming.
You dont really have to do this much prep work, but since I'm one of those BR accuracy nutters, all my rifles get their brass fully prepped, but only my 6PPC requires it since it is the only one with a tight neck chamber. However, I've found that even factory chambered rifles do improve their accuracy potential when using well prepped brass.
Nevertheless, IF your rifle is doing what you bought it for, do absolutely nothing more that you already are, because it is doing the job required by YOU for EXACTLY for the purpose intended. But as humans we are always seeking to improve, to be competitive with your mates etc. Shoot that little bit furhther, more accurately etc Food for thought, though.
Cheerio Ned
I prefer to use lapua as my rifles and for one reason or another they are chambered in calibres that, happily, lapua make brass for.
However, I have used remington, winchester and norma in the past and I've found you can make these brands into quality brass that gives excellent accuracy, you just need to do more preparation work to allow it to perform to the level that I prefer i.e. neck turning, flash hole deburring, and primer pocket uniforming.
You dont really have to do this much prep work, but since I'm one of those BR accuracy nutters, all my rifles get their brass fully prepped, but only my 6PPC requires it since it is the only one with a tight neck chamber. However, I've found that even factory chambered rifles do improve their accuracy potential when using well prepped brass.
Nevertheless, IF your rifle is doing what you bought it for, do absolutely nothing more that you already are, because it is doing the job required by YOU for EXACTLY for the purpose intended. But as humans we are always seeking to improve, to be competitive with your mates etc. Shoot that little bit furhther, more accurately etc Food for thought, though.
Cheerio Ned
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Ned Kelly
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G'day all,
I prefer to use lapua as my rifles and for one reason or another they are chambered in calibres that, happily, lapua make brass for.
However, I have used remington, winchester and norma in the past and I've found you can make these brands into quality brass that gives excellent accuracy, you just need to do more preparation work to allow it to perform to the level that I prefer i.e. neck turning, flash hole deburring, and primer pocket uniforming.
You dont really have to do this much prep work, but since I'm one of those BR accuracy nutters, all my rifles get their brass fully prepped, but only my 6PPC requires it since it is the only one with a tight neck chamber. However, I've found that even factory chambered rifles do improve their accuracy potential when using well prepped brass.
Nevertheless, IF your rifle is doing what you bought it for, do absolutely nothing more that you already are, because it is doing the job required by YOU for EXACTLY for the purpose intended. But as humans we are always seeking to improve, to be competitive with your mates etc. Shoot that little bit furhther, more accurately etc Food for thought, though.
Cheerio Ned
I prefer to use lapua as my rifles and for one reason or another they are chambered in calibres that, happily, lapua make brass for.
However, I have used remington, winchester and norma in the past and I've found you can make these brands into quality brass that gives excellent accuracy, you just need to do more preparation work to allow it to perform to the level that I prefer i.e. neck turning, flash hole deburring, and primer pocket uniforming.
You dont really have to do this much prep work, but since I'm one of those BR accuracy nutters, all my rifles get their brass fully prepped, but only my 6PPC requires it since it is the only one with a tight neck chamber. However, I've found that even factory chambered rifles do improve their accuracy potential when using well prepped brass.
Nevertheless, IF your rifle is doing what you bought it for, do absolutely nothing more that you already are, because it is doing the job required by YOU for EXACTLY for the purpose intended. But as humans we are always seeking to improve, to be competitive with your mates etc. Shoot that little bit furhther, more accurately etc Food for thought, though.
Cheerio Ned
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mitchellchandler_au
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Hi flyer,
I cant speak for Hornady brass as for remington cases I reacon they are great brass to use. In my 223 and 308 Fclass standard rifles with trimming and weighing to 1 grain they shoot great most 10 shot groups at 100 yards the group can be covered with a 5 cent coin with none of the holes being able to be seen. The life of the case seems to be better then the winchester brass I have used. The only brass that comes close to the remington is Lapua but I havnt had the chance to do much work with them yet to draw a definative conclusion.
hope this helps,
mitchell
I cant speak for Hornady brass as for remington cases I reacon they are great brass to use. In my 223 and 308 Fclass standard rifles with trimming and weighing to 1 grain they shoot great most 10 shot groups at 100 yards the group can be covered with a 5 cent coin with none of the holes being able to be seen. The life of the case seems to be better then the winchester brass I have used. The only brass that comes close to the remington is Lapua but I havnt had the chance to do much work with them yet to draw a definative conclusion.
hope this helps,
mitchell
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Ned Kelly
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G'day all,
to give you an idea of brass quality, I measured the neck wall thickness variations on 30 .223 lapua cases vs 30 .223 Win cases, selected at random from 100 cases each. The win cases measured from 10-12.5 thou variation with one case having the full 2.5 thou difference from one side of its neck to the other.
The lapua cases on the other hand varied only by 0.5 thou (11-11.5thou) for the entire sample.
Since bullet alignment is crucial in the accuracy of ANY rifle, the win cases are up to 5 times worse than ANY lapua case and from memory at best 2 times worse than any given lapua case.
I still neck turned the lapua cases to give me zero misalignment for my 75amax's. Shoots real good in F class!
Also consider the inside burr on the flash holes, as the lapua cases are all drilled flash holes, they cleaned up very well with little effort, on the otherhand, the punched win cases needed heavy handed use of my flash hole de-burrer to remove the waste which was often thick and on one side of the flash hole.
Just consider the effect that lump of brass waste could have on the primer flash on the powder column. It certainly would not be even or consistent and probably lead to erractic powder burn. This definately works against the accuracy potential for any rifle. Even lapua brass straight from the box and just loaded and fired would be steets ahead by comparison to most other brands of brass.
Like I said, use the very best components to give the accuracy of your rifle a chance to shine.
Cheerio Ned
to give you an idea of brass quality, I measured the neck wall thickness variations on 30 .223 lapua cases vs 30 .223 Win cases, selected at random from 100 cases each. The win cases measured from 10-12.5 thou variation with one case having the full 2.5 thou difference from one side of its neck to the other.
The lapua cases on the other hand varied only by 0.5 thou (11-11.5thou) for the entire sample.
Since bullet alignment is crucial in the accuracy of ANY rifle, the win cases are up to 5 times worse than ANY lapua case and from memory at best 2 times worse than any given lapua case.
I still neck turned the lapua cases to give me zero misalignment for my 75amax's. Shoots real good in F class!
Also consider the inside burr on the flash holes, as the lapua cases are all drilled flash holes, they cleaned up very well with little effort, on the otherhand, the punched win cases needed heavy handed use of my flash hole de-burrer to remove the waste which was often thick and on one side of the flash hole.
Just consider the effect that lump of brass waste could have on the primer flash on the powder column. It certainly would not be even or consistent and probably lead to erractic powder burn. This definately works against the accuracy potential for any rifle. Even lapua brass straight from the box and just loaded and fired would be steets ahead by comparison to most other brands of brass.
Like I said, use the very best components to give the accuracy of your rifle a chance to shine.
Cheerio Ned