Left hand 22s, Anschutz 1416 vs CZ452

[223 fanboy]

Here's one for the left handers.
A quick comparison of a couple of 22 rimfire rifles. The targets where at 50 paces across the paddock. I shot from the driver's side window off a big iron rest. Not real scientific, but close enough for some discussion. The shots where aimed at the white crosses on the target.

Ammo was Federal 525 bulk pack and CCI stingers.

The photo below is a combination of three targets

First off the Anschutz 1416 target on the left. It's nice little rifle. Very smooth action and a really nice trigger. It came with open sights and a dovetail for mounting scopes. I've taken the front sight off and put a 4-12x40 scope on it. More a chin weld than a cheek weld.
You can see it does OK with the Federals, but it spreads the stingers all over the place. The stingers also hit quite a bit higher (70 to 80 mm). I've used the same aim point and the same bit of paper for both groups.

Next the CZ targets on the right. This rifle was bit rough from new, but it's smoothed up with use and lubrication. The trigger was gritty and creepy out of the box. I put a tiny amount of never seize on the bit where the trigger lever contacts the sear, and loosened off the trigger spring adjusting nut as far as it would go. Much nicer trigger now. It still has a lot of takeup and you can feel when it's about to go off, but it's a lot smoother now. Not as good as the Anschutz, but a hell of a lot better than new and good enough for my needs. The only downside is the bolt handle is bloody close to the scope.
The CZ also has a dovetail for scope mounting, but doesn't have open sights. It's got an old 3-9x40 that Camel gave away a few years back. With low Sportsmatch rings I've got a reasonable cheek weld.
Not quite as good as the Annie on the Federals. Where the CZ shines for me, is on the stingers. A nice group and only about 40 mm higher impact than the slower Federals.

[Branxhunter]

There is a nice little subgroup with the federals in the Annie - even the four higher shots in that group line up for windage with the subgroup below.

The CZ certainly looks like it prefers the stingers - seems very interesting that placed four separate subgroups with 2 or 3 shots cutting in each group.

Marcus

[223 fanboy]

Yeah the subgroups are interesting. Just like flipping heads 6 times in a row I guess

[chris.tyne]

Interesting,bet both rifles would hold groups half that size with ammo that they liked.

[223 fanboy]

Interesting,bet both rifles would hold groups half that size with ammo that they liked.

Do you have any suggestions Chris? I'd like to try some better ammo in them both.

The holy grail would be finding two types of ammo with similar point of impact. Cheap stuff to practice natural point of aim etc, and a decently accurate high velocity round for pests.

I have some Winnie 555s to try when the wind settles. They're just another bulk ammo, but they seem to shoot OK. Haven't tried them on paper yet.

The stingers are a blast from the past, so I always like to give them a try. We used them a bit as boys out cat and fox shooting many many moons ago. The Annie fully engraved the bullet on chambering. Even the CZ engraved the about a third of the way down.

This bloke has some interesting things to say on chambering a 22lr for hyper velocity ammo;
http://www.rrdvegas.com/velocitor.html

[JasonF]

My left hand 1416 loves Eley Subsonic hollow points.

[Jacko9]

is the 1416 stock not very high in cheek weld mate? as you know, I am looking at buying a lefty 22, but don't want something with low cheek weld

[Camel]

My CZ loves the 555s, that's what I use at work. Another one to look out for is some WW super speeds, my old brno shot them better than any of the top brands, power points and CZ go together well, I would probably use the 40gn HV PPs if they were cheaper.

[chris.tyne]

I likely sound like a broken record but I have found no need to use hyper or even high velocity ammo in my pea rifles,I have found sk rifle match,Fiocchi something or other,Eley etc in the lower velocity works great,low noise,kills things and is accurate.
I sight my rifles in at 50mtrs and use them a fair bit,I dont have one ammo for this and another for that,after a while you will surprise yourself just how good you are at holding over on the longer shots.

[DSD]

Quick question Chris
So you sight in at 50m so where would you aim for a 6m shot?

I probably should add I know where not to aim!

[223 fanboy]

is the 1416 stock not very high in cheek weld mate? as you know, I am looking at buying a lefty 22, but don't want something with low cheek weld

Jacko, the comb on the lefty 1416 is made to suit the open sights, so it's lower than the CZ.
I'll do some measurements for you and post them.

[chris.tyne]

Quick question Chris
So you sight in at 50m so where would you aim for a 6m shot?

I probably should add I know where not to aim!

Will you aim a.bit higher in future

[DSD]

I will, I could see about half his head and aimed about half way up his ears maybe a bit more and still hit the object in front of him.
I might have even gotten closer to him if I just did the old Gary point and shoot.

[223 fanboy]

My left hand 1416 loves Eley Subsonic hollow points.

My CZ loves the 555s, that's what I use at work. Another one to look out for is some WW super speeds, my old brno shot them better than any of the top brands, power points and CZ go together well, I would probably use the 40gn HV PPs if they were cheaper.

I likely sound like a broken record but I have found no need to use hyper or even high velocity ammo in my pea rifles,I have found sk rifle match,Fiocchi something or other,Eley etc in the lower velocity works great,low noise,kills things and is accurate.

Thanks guys. I'll do a bit of shopping for the next lot of tests. (cheapest first )

[223 fanboy]

is the 1416 stock not very high in cheek weld mate? as you know, I am looking at buying a lefty 22, but don't want something with low cheek weld

I've measured both rifles, from the bottom of the dovetail groove to the top of the comb (where it's closest to the scope).

CZ452 26 mm
Anschutz 1416 28 to 29 mm
Only a few mm difference in the stock, but I've put lower rings on the CZ as well (6 mm lower).