My 223, 260, and 22lr

[Ozeboy]

I didn't know how good you fox shooters are, consistent 400 yard head shots on foxes without down grading the skins. Wow, this is magic because the area to be hit is around 1/2 ". That means you have to have a rifle that shoots consistently 1/8" minute of angle.
The World Benchrest Championships are currently being shot at Silverdale pity you can't get a start for you and those F Class shooters would clean them all up.
Body shots on rabbits out to 400 with reasonable consistency is possible but on foxes for skins is remarkable. The varmint shooters here are a really elite group.

[Glenn]

I did not see anyone say they were shooting for skins at distance!

So aim centre of fox, it is hit

I did read this though.

I actually agree with you on the lighter bullet debate for varmint guns! I own two for that purpose!

Your approach I don't agree with!

Glenn

[DSD]

Sorry but i am with Glenn, I do not recall mentioning skins! If you want to take the piss at least have something to back it up with. Most people that shoot animals this far out either never had an interest in benchrest or simply grew sick of either it or the attitude that can come with it and no longer find it exciting or challenging

[macca]

There are a lot of very very good rifle shots who have never competed in competitions. Or tried it a few times and went back to hunting/culling or just plinking.
I have seen AI shoot in 1k and in 500m fly and he is no slouch. The gear he uses is always top notch and he hasn't made any claims he can't back up.
I haven't shot a fox for a skin in a long time, these days i just want them dead.I often use a 7mm mag on them. I take quite a few at extended distances with a few different cals.

Ozeboy, if you are who I think you are, you make excellent projectiles. I have used and watched Misit use them to great effect on foxes and crows etc. Let alone comp use.
But people often fail to see the other side of these debates. Most here are vapourisers of pests rather then skinners.
cheers

[Ackley Improved]

I didn't know how good you fox shooters are, consistent 400 yard head shots on foxes without down grading the skins. Wow, this is magic because the area to be hit is around 1/2 ". That means you have to have a rifle that shoots consistently 1/8" minute of angle.
The World Benchrest Championships are currently being shot at Silverdale pity you can't get a start for you and those F Class shooters would clean them all up.
Body shots on rabbits out to 400 with reasonable consistency is possible but on foxes for skins is remarkable. The varmint shooters here are a really elite group.

Mate

You are making these calls on skins, not me. I shoot to blow them up! Dead is what I want. So I am not sure why you are bringing this 1/2" into my shooting. I have also shot short range BR, pity the crowd sucks (not all of you, a select few).. shit got a talking too from range officer for talking to loud close to the firing line, was banter between friends.... that says enough about the fun factor! That is why I gave it away twice! I much prefer the 500m Fly crowd, they area fun bunch!!

Shot two foxes with torch mounted on rifle last night, nothing flash. one at 175m, other think he got powder burns! Also shot 223 to 729m. Couple shots to walk onto target but once there pretty good. The 75Amax definitely have it over the 69's at that range, but at 100m the 69's are tighter!

CHeers

ps. Ozeboy, I am glad you are on the forum, you will be a wealth of knowledge but don't judge members here to much

[Ackley Improved]

[Glenn]

Well done AI!

Glenn

[Ozeboy]

I no doubt grew up in poorer times and shot foxes for money and rabbits for food hence the head shots. I have body shot a lot of foxes mainly with 70gn flat base in a 243Win and like you mentioned they almost break in half. Some of the more distant ones looked like they had been shot with a rimfire 22 long rifle because they were so far away the projectile had almost slowed to below 1000 ft sec.

If you want to consistently body shoot foxes out to 1000 yards like the F Class guys here's how it is done.
At a measured 1000Yard distance set up rifle with front rest and sandbags and zero the rifle for correct point of impact. Then walk back to the tree at 1000 yards placing a flag at each 50 yard interval. Tie the fox up to the tree and walk back to the firing point and shoot the fox. I could call it F Class Fox shooting. Think you can now see the similarity between the F Class guys and the fox shooting scenario above.

Pleased you like the 52 gn projectiles, explosive little devils aren't they. They also don't copper foul like the factory bullets, I think it's because of the jacket material and the slight left over swage lube. They have shot Open Class World records in a PPC chamber.
Sorry I'm talking proven accuracy again and not a few good shots out in the bush.
Remember Ray S who built the range cleaning room at Silverdale. He was a competition and varmint shooter always with a 22.250 Rem. Ray recond the 52's were the most accurate and explosive 22 Projectiles he had ever shot and wouldn't use anything else.
Even without the American Marketing blurb over years they seemed first choice with the guys shooting 3800 to 4000 ft sec guns

[Glenn]

Ackley Improved's signature line pretty much covers my response!

Glenn

[Ackley Improved]

If you want to consistently body shoot foxes out to 1000 yards like the F Class guys here's how it is done.
At a measured 1000Yard distance set up rifle with front rest and sandbags and zero the rifle for correct point of impact. Then walk back to the tree at 1000 yards placing a flag at each 50 yard interval. Tie the fox up to the tree and walk back to the firing point and shoot the fox. I could call it F Class Fox shooting. Think you can now see the similarity between the F Class guys and the fox shooting scenario above.

Mate, again you have jumped the gun. I did not mention 1000yds, I have shot F Class and 1000yd BR and I know how difficult it is. So you can keep your tongue in cheek. I have also shot 500m Fly off bipod, field rear bag, 25X scope, and scored over 200, and nearly took out smallest group on the day. This was at a state competition and was witnessed by many!! Finished 16th by memory out of a field of 40!

Cheers

[juzz338]

punch on fellas. Oze i am sure you probably do make excellent projectiles and congrates on that but it does not mean you can shoot and all your comments seem to be from someone who probably does not fair to well outside of their comfort zone. Just because you or someone else you know cannot do it does not mean it cannot be done. Many br shooters do not perform to well when all their equipment is taken away from them. Strange thing is you are agreeing that body shots on rabbits at 400 is feasible but arguing that foxes are not. You either have big Rabbits or small Foxes as 400m is where the discussion started unless i have read it incorrectly. Anyway i think Glenn summed it up pretty well

[trevort]

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[DSD]

I have not laughed so hard for a long time, thanks Trev

[curan]

I have not laughed so hard for a long time, thanks Trev

That has me chuckling as well.

[DSD]

I meant the original which is now gone