Velocity again

[mick_762]

Jeezus.

^^^^^ What he said

[Brad Y]

Ran those ballistics on JBM and they cant compute a bullet going that fast. At 4500fps your zero at 100 is the same at 200 (LAZER) Considering most shots around here would be not much more than 300 (which is only 3 inches low) there is no excuse to miss at all. Put the crosshairs on its nose and zap.

[220]

280y zero would give you a maximum mid range rise of 1.7" 1.9" low at 325, just over 3" low at 350 and 7" low at 400.
Point and shoot to 350 or so and probably a backline hold at 400
300y zero would give you roughly 2" maximum midrange rise and 5" low at 400.

[Brad Y]

Thats ok if your doing longer shots, but I find most of the foxes around here are max 250. Some a bit further but its easier to close a bit of distance on them than it is educating them about a spotlight and a ute with a low or high shot. Thats why I dont want to run any higher than an inch at 100 as its the close ones that you shoot over the top of that make you look sillier than a real long one that you shoot under. Sure the hero shots at 350+ are awesome to pull off but theres so many other variables for a light bullet out that far that can make you miss. Its why I got into f class shooting originally- to see what varmint guns are capable of at rangest past 300m. Most of them are lucky to be able to hold minute of fox that far! Obviously guys like Mistit who have done it know this and build guns that are not only accurate, but also know where to point them. End of the day, fear the man with one gun that knows how to use it!

[220]

280 zero at those velocities is 1.1" at 100, with a maximum rise of 1.7" at 175.
Tip of the nose hold if they are facing you and you wont be missing them due to shooting over or under to past 300 if your after head shots.
Body shots you could get away with 2" rise and centre of the chest hold to 350.

I think you under estimate what a lot of guns are capable of, even my 30/30 will hold minute of fox at 300, ive shot it on paper at 300 and it will hold 3-4". My swift will hold under 2" no trouble. Most rifles shouldn't have any trouble with minute of fox well past where you can realistically expect to hit them, finding a shooter who can make use of that accuracy under field conditions is a different story. I know if Im taking a shot past 300 there isn't much point unless its over the bonnet, off bags and with the engine off. Out the window they will walk away more often than not, not because the rifle doesn't have the accuracy simply because from that position I cant take advantage of the accuracy.

[Vermingone]

I agree over the roof or off the bonnet beats the stability offered by door rest IMO

[mistit]

Practice practice practice , fellas no one ever learnt to do anything by thinking they couldn't do it

[Brad Y]

Back of the ute is fine if there is enough people to do it and the best in terms of being able to see everything from up higher too. The times Ive seen people try to get out of a car with a gun, flick out a bipod, adjust it to get it level, load and fire- the foxes just laugh and run off. Its too slow. If you practice out of a door and set it up right, its rock solid and you can pull up straight onto the target and have him on the deck within seconds. Less if you shoot Mistits gun

[mistit]

Back of the ute is fine if there is enough people to do it and the best in terms of being able to see everything from up higher too. The times Ive seen people try to get out of a car with a gun, flick out a bipod, adjust it to get it level, load and fire- the foxes just laugh and run off. Its too slow. If you practice out of a door and set it up right, its rock solid and you can pull up straight onto the target and have him on the deck within seconds. Less if you shoot Mistits gun

That's pretty funny brad I had a good laugh

[Brad Y]

[Camel]

Back of the ute is fine if there is enough people to do it and the best in terms of being able to see everything from up higher too. The times Ive seen people try to get out of a car with a gun, flick out a bipod, adjust it to get it level, load and fire- the foxes just laugh and run off. Its too slow. If you practice out of a door and set it up right, its rock solid and you can pull up straight onto the target and have him on the deck within seconds. Less if you shoot Mistits gun

Yep, cant beat the speed of getting the shot off out the window. Guess I may have a bit more practice than most, but by the time I have the vehicle stopped, the rifle is already at my shoulder, the spot light is trained just above the target and I am on target within a couple of seconds of stopping, the victim is usually on the ground at around 5 seconds after stopping, depending on if its moving or still. Also great help having the spotlight through the roof, those door frame jiggaboos just get in the way.

[chris.tyne]

Mistit I truly love your style

[mistit]

Mistit I truly love your style

cheers Chris

[Glenn]

The main advantage of real high velocity is spotlighting when I can't use a range finder 

Exactly!

Where we shoot foxes you cannot get close so we have to take longer shots, 250m plus are the norm for us in the light.

That is why I went flat and fast!
An inch high at a hundred for a 300m zero.

I have always shot out the window, with practice you can have a very steady rest.

Glenn

[mistit]

dead on hold , ranged at 297 yds didn't move an inch , 40 grainer did the job