My 223, 260, and 22lr

[Jacko9]

Nice looking rifles mate! Fast twisted 223's with 75 grn hornadies are impressive, used to own one. The purpose of the free floating bolt head is to allow the cartridge to align itself correctly in the chamber, rather than have to true the action, correct me if I'm wrong here fellas? I have never really thought much about the floating bolt heads!

[kickinback]

Is the 260 on used guns at the moment?

[jeffk]

Where did you get the Defiance from? Tossing up between that and a Surgeon for the next build.....

[Ozeboy]

Those rifles look like a lot of money to shoot small game. I like to build very light rifles chambered for the 223Rem or 22PPC with the occasional 17MK IV or 17.222 for Foxes. I prefer the 22PPC over the 223 but like the availability of 223Rem ammunition and the standard small rifle bolt face. I usually have minimum chambers neck turned cases. The shorter fatter PPC case with small rifle primer is a recipe for extreme accuracy. I think it was Don Perlach (Spelling) who did the initial 22PPC tests which showed the slowest pressure rise time of any 224 cartridge ever tested.
Both these cartridges shoot best full to the bottom of the neck or a little more with the correct burning rate powder. There are too many cartridges like the 22.250Rem and 243 Win that would be better reduced to hold the best load to the bottom of the neck. I redesigned a 243 case down to hold 38gns Win 748 ball powder to the bottom of the neck. Also went with the small rifle primers being more accurate than the large. I think these .308 cases with small rifle primers were a one off to get the 6mmBR up and running. Five years later Winchester brought out the short cases.

However these were just experiments and when forming cases greatly they never seem to be any where as good as the factory cases when some manufacturer puts them into production. Expand the necks or reduce the necks up or down a calibre and slightly change case diameter towards the shoulder but that's it Far out wildcats are not worth the effort and usually result in shorter case life.

I have just saved my forum membership with this post.

[MISSED]

And a good post it was too.

You seem to have a great deal of knowledge why not share some more.

[Camel]

I have just saved my forum membership with this post.

I reckon there will be a bit of that going on in the next couple of weeks.


I still cant figure out why most people on here don't post a bit more, its not that hard really, and a lot of us like hearing about other peoples ideas.

[Glenn]

Those rifles look like a lot of money to shoot small game. I like to build very light rifles chambered for the 223Rem or 22PPC with the occasional 17MK IV or 17.222 for Foxes. I prefer the 22PPC over the 223 but like the availability of 223Rem ammunition and the standard small rifle bolt face. I usually have minimum chambers neck turned cases. The shorter fatter PPC case with small rifle primer is a recipe for extreme accuracy. I think it was Don Perlach (Spelling) who did the initial 22PPC tests which showed the slowest pressure rise time of any 224 cartridge ever tested.
Both these cartridges shoot best full to the bottom of the neck or a little more with the correct burning rate powder. There are too many cartridges like the 22.250Rem and 243 Win that would be better reduced to hold the best load to the bottom of the neck. I redesigned a 243 case down to hold 38gns Win 748 ball powder to the bottom of the neck. Also went with the small rifle primers being more accurate than the large. I think these .308 cases with small rifle primers were a one off to get the 6mmBR up and running. Five years later Winchester brought out the short cases.

However these were just experiments and when forming cases greatly they never seem to be any where as good as the factory cases when some manufacturer puts them into production. Expand the necks or reduce the necks up or down a calibre and slightly change case diameter towards the shoulder but that's it Far out wildcats are not worth the effort and usually result in shorter case life.

I have just saved my forum membership with this post.

Yes you have!

You have also made me mind up what to do with the 22cal barrel in the cupboard!

Glenn

[Jacko9]

a lot of us like hearing about other peoples ideas.

Hey mark, I don't want to hear about your ideas (insert shit stirring emoticon here) Done by Admin

Yeah mate, you are probably right though! if you have good information, like above, share it! it may just help someone.... I would, except, i don't have a heap to offer, only outlandish ideas

[TexNAss]

And a good post it was too.

You seem to have a great deal of knowledge why not share some more.

What he said... I've for one have always been interested in Wildcats. And by the look of it many others are interested.

Tex.

[kickinback]

What's with the "saving my forum membership " thing ?

[Ackley Improved]

Shot the 223 on the weekend, testing ballistic software to actual in field. Slightly different so dodgied the figures to match. Shot to 720m, and proved to be very accurate! Tried 947m but couldn't see fall of shot.

I laugh when I read about this and that, like the 22PPC is so accurate and the best thing since sliced bread. Lets see it run out of a magazine, see how you go losing brass out bush, and god knows yes it will be consistently more accurate but tell me the difference between say shooting 0.1's and say 0.4's.... in the field? Oh and off bipods in the field holding 0.1's. I love the PPC's and the 6BR's, but you need to get practical somewhere along the line.

Answer some questions, customs rifles are expensive so yes they cost a packet. The 260 is for sale. The rifle was imported with the Defiance.

For me, the fast twist 223 is a game changer. Everything works, and it does it well. Must be time for 22lr

[Ackley Improved]

Sako Quad Range

Factory rifle with the DIP metal trigger guard, 20MOA rail, and steel bolt handle/knob.
Vortex low rings
Vortex Razor milrad
Harris bipod

I am over the moon with how this rifle shoots. I tested a few different brands of ammo, most shot well, but the clear winner was the RWS Type S match. This is the training ammo for the R100. The R100 also shot great, but $$$$! I have shot this rifle out to 250m odd on bunnies, it is on video but alas, did not connect once. Was windy as hell and I gave up after a few rounds. All close. Shot out to 200m a few times just on cans, does well. Target in picture was at 50m. The trigger is great. I thought I had done the wrong thing not getting the set trigger option, but after adjusting I would call the set trigger option a waste of money. This is light and crisp!





Cheers

[chris.tyne]

Trev.................give yourself an uppercut ,..................................................................................................................................................you just said the P word,Practical,,,,,,,,,,,,,since when has anything needed to be practical.

[Ackley Improved]

Trev.................give yourself an uppercut ,..................................................................................................................................................you just said the P word,Practical,,,,,,,,,,,,,since when has anything needed to be practical.

Yep, big word but that is where I am these days. Practical!! Im definitely at the stage where I want to be shooting and not doing brass prep!

I would find it hard now to deviate away from the bangers and mash stuff. 223, 308, 30-06, 300WM..... BUT... benchrest rifle if I ever went back, 6PPC and Dasher no doubt!

[Ozeboy]

Sorry, re the saving post bit, I received an email from the forum management they would be terminating anyone who had not posted in the past 12 months, That's the reason for the remark.
Re some ones previous post about fox shooting and not needing all that guff I posted. I used to shoot over 20 foxes a night taken out to 250yards with a 17MK IV or 17-222Rem. These were for skins so had to be hit centre. Any lower the bottom jaw would be damaged badly or a little high off would come the top of the head. At $40 a skin you need a lot of guff and very accurate rifles that don't change point of impact. I can shoot them all season without adjusting the scope. They look like crap so you wouldn't want one being made with one idea in mind and that's accuracy and light weight. Definitely not a wall hanger or something to drool over.

I was speaking to a knowledgeable friend still shooting foxes using a 22PPC for head shots that will stay in the head without exit.
The recipe is load it flat out and shoot 45 gn very open pointed bullets. I actually made their 45 gn bullets on .650" long jackets.
Some years ago I chest shot a few foxes with a 22PPC accuracy load and 52gn projectiles I made and they didn't exit. Suppose you are getting the message I'm a devout 22PPC shooter.

In the last few years I notice a lot of guys are using fast twist 223's with less accuracy and more copper fouling due to the greater bearing surface. Call me old fashioned but will stay with the 52 and 55 gn projectiles.
I'm sorry most of my information is derived from self made products and I know you all want to be able to go into a shop and buy just what is made in USA and has been given a big plug by their writers so their is really no reason to post.

I'm definitely going to keep my membership now with 2 posts. If I was critical I would mention those 5 motions to the left give non shooters a poor impression of what varmint shooting is all about. Our image is not real good so they are looking for something to make a bad story about shooting in general.