savage or howa

[texta]

my next rifle is going to be a 22.250 HB very soon ( had one before want one again ) , but i am having a heck of a lot of trouble picking between the savage and the howa i have never owned either brand in any cal , i have always had remys .probably leaning towards stainless , dont want a plastic stock but i can easy change that straight after i buy the rifle .
i have read a thousand pages on each and still have not come up with an answer. then of course there is a scope to think about probably in the 4-16 or up to the 6 -20 but on a budget.
i suppose it comes down to going in a throwing them to the shoulder see how they feel and see if i fall in love with one or the other .

[GregT]

I've got both, the Howa is a much nicer rifle out of the box.

[Brad Y]

Why not get another remington?

[Plowboy]

Don't worry about the plastic stock......tikka mate......

[texta]

Why not get another remington?

mainly because the newer ones i think need a lot more work to make them a good thing , and they are still 1 in 14 barrel which is what my old 700BDL was and i often wished it was just a little faster twist , i would like to try one of these others that have a 1 in 12 .
i do like this one ( REMINGTON 700 VL SS TH ) but still 1 in 14 in the 22.250 , then theres is the trigger , it would need work , i had my BDL trigger done by maddco and set at 6oz, loved it .
what is the trigger like in the above remy.
i know the howa trigger will need work but there is enough price difference to pay for the work and still end up cheaper than the remy .

[Con]

Savage VLP in 22/250 and choice of 1:12" or 1:9" fitted with the AccuTrigger.

I'd take the faster twist barrel and buy up on 75grAMax pills.
Cheers...
Con

[texta]

Savage VLP in 22/250 and choice of 1:12" or 1:9" fitted with the AccuTrigger.

I'd take the faster twist barrel and buy up on 75grAMax pills.
Cheers...
Con

yeah con but how would 50 and 55 grainers in balistic tip handle the fast twist ??? i have a hell of a lot of em left over from when i was r** shooting .

[adamjp]

Savage VLP in 22/250 and choice of 1:12" or 1:9" fitted with the AccuTrigger.

I'd take the faster twist barrel and buy up on 75grAMax pills.
Cheers...
Con

yeah con but how would 50 and 55 grainers in balistic tip handle the fast twist ??? i have a hell of a lot of em left over from when i was r** shooting .

The frankenrifle is a 22/250 with 1:8 twist barrel.

It throws the 55gn VMAX @ 3700fps and delivers 1MOA @ 100m.

Better still, it throws the 75gn match bullets @ 3400fps and deliveres 1MOA @ 500m. I would strongly suggest buying a 1000count box of the Nosler Custom Competition bullets in 77gn or 80gn weight and shooting them until the barrel is toast.

As for the rifle....The Savage will do what you want out of the box. Or you could buy a shot out Howa and rebarrel to suit your need. Stocks from Boyds often do the job very nicely.

[Mulga]

Don't buy either and save up for superior rifle like a Sako

[texta]

i have just been offered an older howa ( about 10 years old or so ) in 243 wood stock, blued short barrel . this rifle has not fired any more than 50 rounds , and i know that to be true , it has a nikko sterling 3.5 - 10 ( i think )on it and is in as new condition , he wants 550 for it , maybe i could buy that and get the barrel swapped to a 22.250 sell the scope and put the money towards a bigger scope , does that sound viable ,
read somewhere that the howa is a bitch to change barrels on for some reason .

[bigfellascott]

HOWA!

CHECK OUT MY RESULTS WITH THE HOWA
http://s678.photobucket.com/albums/vv146/bigfellascott/

I just bought the Barreled Action, Imported the Boyds, got Glen Coughlan to do his magic on the trigger and thats it, still haven't bedded it yet. All up it cost $559 for Heavy Barreled Action, $134 for the stock including delivery, Glens Work was $40 at the time so total cost of $733.

Topped it of with a set of Leupold base and rings and a Zeiss Conquest 6.5-20x50, the rifle is used for varminting and spotlighting foxes, rabbits and culling work and has been absolutely brillant and a pleasure to own and use, I can definately recommend Howa, this is the second one I have owned and the other one was just as accurate with a bit of bedding/freefloating work, I wish I'd have kept it to but wasn't to be (young and dumb!) oh well.

I've tested quite a few 55gn projectiles and some 50gn projectiles in it - it shot them all very well. I settled on the Sierra Super Roos as I could buy them cheaper than the rest and they do a bloody fantastic job, very very rare to have to shoot again and if I do its because of shooter error not projectile performance at all.

I have 2 mates who also own Howa's 204 and 223 with boyds or Wild Dog stocks on em and all perform just the same - bloody accurate rifles for the $$$ - where all bloody happy with the results.

Also there are a lot of aftermarket parts for Howas now - if thats your sort of thing!

My load data that works in my Howa is:-
34.5gn AR2206H
55 gn Sierra Super Roos
any brand case they all work fine
CCI 200 primers or any other brand works fine as well

Just fiddle with the seating depth to fine tune accuracy and job done.

Longest kill shot to date around 360+m - love the cal!

[curan]

i have just been offered an older howa ( about 10 years old or so ) in 243 wood stock, blued short barrel . this rifle has not fired any more than 50 rounds , and i know that to be true , it has a nikko sterling 3.5 - 10 ( i think )on it and is in as new condition , he wants 550 for it , maybe i could buy that and get the barrel swapped to a 22.250 sell the scope and put the money towards a bigger scope , does that sound viable ,
read somewhere that the howa is a bitch to change barrels on for some reason .

Just had this conversation with a 'smith the other day, while discussing switchbarrel options. He told me the barrels were screwed to the action by machine and were tight as...... he told me he's had to cut them and machine out old barrel threads. Which he also said wasn't a huge issue if the barrel was stuffed anyway.
In my case, the barreled actions are cheap enough, so if I take this path, I'll just grab another.

hope this helps.......

regards, curan

[curan]

HOWA!

CHECK OUT MY RESULTS WITH THE HOWA
http://s678.photobucket.com/albums/vv146/bigfellascott/

I just bought the Barreled Action, Imported the Boyds, got Glen Coughlan to do his magic on the trigger and thats it, still haven't bedded it yet. All up it cost $559 for Heavy Barreled Action, $134 for the stock including delivery, Glens Work was $40 at the time so total cost of $733.

Topped it of with a set of Leupold base and rings and a Zeiss Conquest 6.5-20x50, the rifle is used for varminting and spotlighting foxes, rabbits and culling work and has been absolutely brillant and a pleasure to own and use, I can definately recommend Howa, this is the second one I have owned and the other one was just as accurate with a bit of bedding/freefloating work, I wish I'd have kept it to but wasn't to be (young and dumb!) oh well.

I've tested quite a few 55gn projectiles and some 50gn projectiles in it - it shot them all very well. I settled on the Sierra Super Roos as I could buy them cheaper than the rest and they do a bloody fantastic job, very very rare to have to shoot again and if I do its because of shooter error not projectile performance at all.

I have 2 mates who also own Howa's 204 and 223 with boyds or Wild Dog stocks on em and all perform just the same - bloody accurate rifles for the $$$ - where all bloody happy with the results.

My load data that works in my Howa is:-
34.5gn AR2206H
55 gn Sierra Super Roos
any brand case they all work fine
CCI 200 primers or any other brand works fine as well

Just fiddle with the seating depth to fine tune accuracy and job done.

Longest kill shot to date around 360+m - love the cal!

Hi Bigfellascott,

sorry mate, but the photo link doesn't seem to work.
Pleased to hear the Howa works for you though, as I've got a 7mm08 SS ultralight ordered and it should arrive at the LGS in a few weeks (waiting, waiting.....)

regards, curan

[texta]

HOWA!

CHECK OUT MY RESULTS WITH THE HOWA
http://s678.photobucket.com/albums/vv146/bigfellascott/

I just bought the Barreled Action, Imported the Boyds, got Glen Coughlan to do his magic on the trigger and thats it, still haven't bedded it yet. All up it cost $559 for Heavy Barreled Action, $134 for the stock including delivery, Glens Work was $40 at the time so total cost of $733.

Topped it of with a set of Leupold base and rings and a Zeiss Conquest 6.5-20x50, the rifle is used for varminting and spotlighting foxes, rabbits and culling work and has been absolutely brillant and a pleasure to own and use, I can definately recommend Howa, this is the second one I have owned and the other one was just as accurate with a bit of bedding/freefloating work, I wish I'd have kept it to but wasn't to be (young and dumb!) oh well.

I've tested quite a few 55gn projectiles and some 50gn projectiles in it - it shot them all very well. I settled on the Sierra Super Roos as I could buy them cheaper than the rest and they do a bloody fantastic job, very very rare to have to shoot again and if I do its because of shooter error not projectile performance at all.

I have 2 mates who also own Howa's 204 and 223 with boyds or Wild Dog stocks on em and all perform just the same - bloody accurate rifles for the $$$ - where all bloody happy with the results.

Also there are a lot of aftermarket parts for Howas now - if thats your sort of thing!

My load data that works in my Howa is:-
34.5gn AR2206H
55 gn Sierra Super Roos
any brand case they all work fine
CCI 200 primers or any other brand works fine as well

Just fiddle with the seating depth to fine tune accuracy and job done.

Longest kill shot to date around 360+m - love the cal!

yeah i have read the threads on that rifle of yours , sounds like you are enjoying it .
my old BDL in the 22.250 loved 50gr nosler boat tail balistic tips and i am pretty sure the charge it liked was 33.5 of BM2 or it could of been 34 i have it written down some where ( it was about 12 or 15 years ago ).
my little .17 ackley likes the BM2 aswell .

[bigfellascott]

Try the link now Curan the first one I posted didn't work but seems to be ok now?

cheers mate