AusVarmint

Hi All ,As some of you guys may have gathered by now i have a keen interest in Long Range BR , especially 1000yd .. I just wish that there was a National Championship event !!.. It would need to be in the center of the mass of shooters that favour this event ,so Sth NSW,Nth VIC or Canberra .. I for one would travel down and i know of 4 others from area that would but i think that it is to much to ask the majority to travel all the way up here .. It needs to be the best of the best shooting to make it a proper Nationals..I want to get to shoot with 35 to 50 blokes at one special event as opposed to my std club matchs .. It 's a big step to bundle up all my shit up to get there but for a Major like this i would put in a big effort to make it happen once a year.. To this end i would like to offer a contingency prize to any organizer from the above areas to use in any category they see fit .it is a custom billet alloy front rest ,made by me at home ,some commercial custom rests are valued at more than a $1000 this days .. Here's hoping this may stir someone into getting an event like this up and running in 2010 or 2011 ...JR..Jeff Rogers.. pic of front rest

That's a mighty sexy piece of kit JR...
Makes me wonder if the H&H will make 1k

Way to pique peoples interest mate

Ahhhhhhh JR, I know we have been looking at trying to run a nationals down here. But as you very well know, so many issues to sort through.
Marked shooters, mainly. What happens in a nationals? Do we run a different class for them? Are there different overall scoreboards for marked shooters? etc etc etc.

Because of the way things currently stand, you know there's going to be a shitfight in that arena somewhere along the line. We need to get the 1K clubs together and figure out and agree upon how things will work in regard to the blind or marked shooting before we can arrange a nationals comp. Nobody wants to go to all the trouble of organising and running it if it will only become a farce that people whine about for years afterward.

I think Canberra, Townsville and Brisbane really need to nominate delegates or something like that, who can discuss the issues on behalf of their respective clubs, attempt to agree on something and present it to their clubs to see if it will fly or not.

I fucking hate this type of politics bullshit, but you know it has to happen.

Hi Mick Its a pity that a solution to the problem can not be found quickly so a national championship shoot can be arranged in the near future -- do you know the number of shooters that would attend a national shoot ? -- just because they shoot it in their location does not mean that they would travel to another venue to shoot a championship event -- why can't a survey of those shooters who would attend a big shoot be started to see what the majority of the shooters would like as a format -- only those people who would travel to the championship shoot should have a say in the way its run - not open to a all shooters to argue the pro's and cons of the rules involved ----- john mc

Guys,

Speaking as someone who would attend and shoot, I think we should be shooting blind, as per IBS. This allows direct comparison to overseas results. Those who want to shoot solely for score, which is what marked shooting really is, should run a seperate comp, or take up darts, where group size has no relevance.

Jeff

justjeff wrote:Guys,

Speaking as someone who would attend and shoot, I think we should be shooting blind, as per IBS. This allows direct comparison to overseas results. Those who want to shoot solely for score, which is what marked shooting really is, should run a seperate comp, or take up darts, where group size has no relevance.

Jeff

That would be nice, but that horse bolted long ago. About half the people shooting 1K currently in Aus are shooting it marked (Probably more than half), and you cant just tell 50% of the people shooting it to piss off.

As I said, an agreement needs to be made or else a nationals will be a joke.

Hello Mick if i was to come to canberra for a 1000yd shoot would i have to shoot it marked or would i have the option to shoot it blind ? how many shooters do you get to a normal club shoot in canberra ? how many shooters do you think would go to a national championship shoot and where do you think it should be held john mc

Mick,

If we are going to go to the trouble of doing this, we may as well do it right, so we don't get people saying, 'Yeah, but they didn't follow the rules, so it doesn't count'
As far as I can see, SSAA doesn't have any official, sanctioned and approved rules regarding 1000 yd, but rather has allowed NRAA to determine the rules.
NRAA has the following to say,"The rules, as amended from time to time, will be as per the 1000 Yard International Bench Rest Competition Rules".

This means the IBS rules. These don't give an allowance for marked targets, and the way I read the rule, marked targets would constitute coaching, which is specifically prohibited.

To me this is very straightforward. No marked targets. I realize this is just my interpretation, but it seems to me that unless marked targets are specifically allowed in some Australian rule book, and I mean a ratified, approved book, not just a proposed one, the to shoot marked would actually constitute a breach of the rules.

Just because 50% of shooters in the country shoot marked, doesn't make it legal. I know there are individuals who would argue the point, but let them provide us with a valid rule for marked targets, otherwise, shoot it blind.

I will leave it here to have a proponent of marked shooting produce the rules.

Jeff

I am so over this marked verse blind crap. If there is to be a Nationals then it has to be by the rules in place which currently allow for both styles. The only question here is for those wishing to participate in the International postals where it is up to the individual shooter. For an Aussie Nationals it is open choice and may the best man or style prevail!!

Loose Cannon Bodine

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Tony Z wrote:I am so over this marked verse blind crap. If there is to be a Nationals then it has to be by the rules in place which currently allow for both styles. The only question here is for those wishing to participate in the International postals where it is up to the individual shooter. For an Aussie Nationals it is open choice and may the best man or style prevail!!

Loose Cannon Bodine

My sentiments exactly mate. I can just see that without that being agreed upon, there'd be a shit fight during or after the shoot.

john mc wrote:Hello Mick if i was to come to canberra for a 1000yd shoot would i have to shoot it marked or would i have the option to shoot it blind ? how many shooters do you get to a normal club shoot in canberra ? how many shooters do you think would go to a national championship shoot and where do you think it should be held john mc

You could shoot it blindfolded with a slingshot and I wouldn't care. In Canberra, it is up to the shooter which way they want to go. Lately the number of marked shooters here has been on the decline.
We would get an average of 10-15 shooters usually, and up to 30 for one of the 1K shoots after a Fly.
Currently I have no idea how many shooters would turn up to a national championship. Would likely be very dependant on when it was run.

Thank you for that reply Mick when i come to shoot the Fed Cup Fly in march i will bring my 1000yd gear and shoot on sunday i will nominate now and i wish to shoot blind regards john mc

Mick, Dave, i can see both sides in all this and as you both know the reasons why i have stepped sideways on 1K shooting, but not ruled it out completely at this point, i have full intentions of getting to a Nationals. Run it just like Canberra has run their matches at other times when done so in conjunction with the Fly. No major change at all and just state who shot what way. If blind wins or loses or marked wins or looses it will only tell the story of what worked on the day at that range. Nothing more can be taken from it and there is no reason that i could see that there should be a shit fight. Over what? 1K is a long way and it is difficult no matter what you do. If there is a postal out of this event to be sent off to Virginia, simply squad the marked or blind shooters apart so that the blind shooter cannot gain any advantage (questionable) from seeing a marked shooters spotting discs. Simple. This has to be done not for us here but for the authenticity of results sent to Virginia as they will surely question procedure, as they rightly should. If someone wants to argue that point then maybe they should do it here and now where the majority of 1K shooters visit or will visit once word gets around.

Having said this, i think that anyone who opposes the interaction with the US in postal matches because it favors the blind method, and continues to press the complete assimilation at all times of the two methods at the peril of losing something that a small group of hard working competitors have done, they may need to re-evaluate their real reasons for being in the sport. Nationals aside, this goes deeper as we all know and this rivalry is not healthy at this point and has so many parallels to what happened to BR50. Do we all remember what happened to that industry?
Really guys this could go on for years so maybe it is time to remove the emotion and insert the rational thought process and get the Nationals going asap. Everyone there will have a good time and those that wish to boycott it, then that is your choice. Let's not make it a situation of having to have a six pack to get in and a six gun to get out of the after match celebrations

Loose Cannon Bodine.


ps. Mick i am pretty certain you can count on 5 from Townsville for a Nationals

Guys, I started this thread with the hope it would create some interest in holding the 1st ever Australian 1000yd Benchrest Nationals..At present my hope's are lookin pretty sick i must admit.. Since the change of 2005 we have had the dual way of shooting the target , marked/spotted and the original way ,called blind .. Everybody knows that i personally will never shoot the new way but it is in place and if there is ever to be a true Nationals we have to accept that some competitors will want to use these methods .. I really welcome the opportunity to pit my way against the prone shooters methods and would look forward to see the results as they stack up at the end of the competition because what we do is about averages .. My wife has booked holidays for the June Queens birthday weekend next year so we could get to Canberra ..Now this is off the table ,is there any other place in Australia south of Brisbane that is willing to put their hand up..It does not have to be a range that already has matchs ,as a matter of fact it would be perfect to have a place that holds only one event (The Nationals) per year as this puts all competitors on an even playing field because no body will hold any local knowledge advantage.. ..JR..Jeff Rogers