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trevort · Post by **trevort** » Mon Aug 06, 2007 4:46 pm

In case you didnt hear me, I want some of that coloured laminate!

Now amongst those barrels you have lying around, would you happen to have a 6.5 with some life in it that could be rechambered?

If it was cheap I have thought of an experiment!

Rinso · Post by **Rinso** » Mon Aug 06, 2007 6:48 pm

trevort,

I know you want some laminate ..... I heard you first 500 times

No 6.5 barrels mate and everyone I know who has a 6.5 has it in 6.5-284 and they don't tend to have real long lives.

If I see one I will let you know.

Now just what have you come up with this time

cheers
Rinso

BRman · Post by **BRman** » Mon Aug 06, 2007 7:33 pm

Forgive me for butting in here
I have a Pacnor 6.5mm 1:8 twist barrel chambered in 6.5 HI (Basicly a long necked 243 Ackley necked up) 1.25" tapering to approx 1" at muzzle and 30" long. Fired 600 rounds and threaded to suit a Rem 700.
Asking $350.00 + post

Paul

trevort · Post by **trevort** » Mon Aug 06, 2007 7:50 pm

Rinso, when you were talking about that guy doing the mail run and somebody mentioned a quote about the 6.5wssm

, i didnt give it much thought. Then once I got onto the br forums I heard there are actually guys shooting them in the US very competitively, so since new wssms are nearly being given away, I thought a second hand wssm and a barrel with a few hundred rounds left and some of Mr Clancy's genius would be a good way to find out if it had potential and then if it did build a proper rifle, rather than build a proper rifle then not like it and be stuck with something that can only handle short and Very fat.

Thanks BR man but I was hoping he had one he was nearly ready to throw away. Only $200 more and your into a new barrel and its not worth spending too many dollars on an experiment!

Rinso · Post by **Rinso** » Mon Aug 06, 2007 8:34 pm

trevort,

I assume you mean Long Range BR for the 6.5 WSM and I would add a little word of caution or two.

The Americans have different rules to us in that they allow muzzle brakes which makes shooting the bigger calibres acceptable in light gun .. you can't do that here.

I know of a few wsm's shooting here and the only one having any real success to my knowledge is shooting a 6.5-300wsm in heavy gun. Although it seems to have no real advantage over any other 6.5 that I have seen.

I would think you would shoot light gun which means you can look at things like (but not limited to) the 308, 6.5-284, 6mm Dasher, 6 x 47L, 6.5x55 AI, 6.5x57 HI just to name a few .. they are all proven performers no experimenting required.

Talk to Shane about this and get a professional opinion.

cheers
Rinso

trevort · Post by **trevort** » Mon Aug 06, 2007 10:07 pm

you missed an "s". I was talking WSSM. Like a 6br with both the case and projie on steroids!

Now if I went to heavy gun the 7mm wsm with 175 smk looks good. Can you tell I'm researching this. Look out credit cards!

Ackley Improved · Post by **Ackley Improved** » Tue Aug 07, 2007 7:28 am

It is the 6.5WSSM, but why would you venture that way when you can have the fat 284 case pushing the 6.5 projectiles?

I have read about them, and from memory the guys using them are top shooters. A smooth bore tomato stake would still print well on a target for them!

Cheers
AI

Rinso · Post by **Rinso** » Tue Aug 07, 2007 9:32 am

AI,

A smooth bore tomato stake would still print well on a target for them!

Who makes those mate ... I might try one

cheers
Rinso

trevort · Post by **trevort** » Tue Aug 07, 2007 10:04 am

humour a newbie hear, but if its that 300 to 500 range perhaps you dont need the powder charge of a 284 case, why is there a 6.5x47 L case. Would the wssm opened up for 6.5 be like that on steroids and less powder in a 16lb rifle make it jump about less than a 284 and give a slight edge to compensate the velocity loss?

Anyway if I could get a usable throw away barrel for next to nix and a second hand wssm for a few hundred $$$ I would pay for Shanes labour to find out!

I have this really annoying personally trait of finding it hard to be told and wanting to enquire enquire enquire and find out myself that what you told me first up was right! If you can overcome that I'm not a bad bloke really!

HiWall · Post by **HiWall** » Tue Aug 07, 2007 10:08 am

I heard smooth bore tomato stakes were only good for short range benchrest, you need rifled tomato stakes for 300 yards or more.

Rinso · Post by **Rinso** » Tue Aug 07, 2007 1:23 pm

HiWall,

Mate I'm with you, I want rifling in my tomato stake.

trevort,

Mate the WSM & WSSM's have not really taken off as target rounds even though the whole short & fat rule applies to them. Like I said to you its a guide not a law, plenty of long thin cases that do well prove that.

Before you go getting too excited about the WSSM thing lets look at the basics ..
Action has to be WSSM for the bolt face (can't be made into anything else if it don't work and then your stuck with it)
Dies .. is anyone making quality dies for these things ??
Brass ... I know you can't buy good quality brass for them.

Like I said to you mate .. talk to your g/smith you pay not just for work but for expertise.

I had a look at the yank forums and they still have plenty of folks shooting all manner of 6mm's & 6.5's the WSSM's are not dominating or even overly popular.

If you want to do something different I can make a few suggestions ... but Shane probably won't thank me for it.

cheers
Rinso

trevort · Post by **trevort** » Tue Aug 07, 2007 1:52 pm

I've asked Shane to make my 20 cal krieger into a ppc. I know it wont be competetive, but then as pointed out by someone who would know, neither will I. So can have fun learning, wear it out and turn into a 6ppc later.

So thats taken care of the short range stuff.

Now the 16lb rifle

Con · Post by **Con** » Tue Aug 07, 2007 2:28 pm

trevort,
I like your style ... the journey is where the fun is, not necessarily the destination. For something perhaps a bit simpler, why not 30cal the WSSM? A take-off barrel will be a bit easier to find, and a great range of projectiles exists. Maybe feed it the same lightweights the 30BR crowd are using but at the additional velocity? If it all goes to crap as a benchrest rifle, it'll make a great varminter with a 125gr Nosler BT ... maybe even a good dedicated FLY rifle? Opening 25WSSM might thin your necks out a bit, but clean up the cases and prep them well and you've got a really interesting varminter as a worst case scenario. Not sure how much magazine length the WSSM actions have ... heavyweight projectiles might be out of the question but I'd stick to the lightweights either way!!
Cheers...
Con

Ackley Improved · Post by **Ackley Improved** » Tue Aug 07, 2007 3:45 pm

Mate

I would not venture the 6.5WSSM way at all. You would be investing money, even though it my not be much, on a project that to me, looks like it will lead to a dead end.

Save that money, and after Canberra, if you do like the Fly, put that money into a true BR rig.

Lawton $1600
Kelby 20MOA base to suit Lawton, $50
Trigger guard, import a polished one for around the $70
Barrel $1000 chambered, maybe a littel cheaper
Stock- Pro Cal bedded $450ish
Jewell trigger $280ish (can use a cheaper trigger that will work fine)
Rings Kelby, Not sure on price- maybe $150
Weaver T36 scope, import your own, around the $650 mark.

That is a a lot $$$$, but it is a true custom BR rifle.

CHeers
AI

trevort · Post by **trevort** » Tue Aug 07, 2007 3:57 pm

AI I will get a full rig built when I am convinced I am going to stay the course (and pay for two, as yet unfunded) current projects.

Con thanks for the compliment from someone who appears to be a habitual experimenter!

I think I will play with a wssm again at some stage, eventually!

AusVarmint

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