AusVarmint

Hi All , See a recent tirade about rules on another site ,in that said rules book the records are mentioned .. But No where can i find the actual written records to date ..1000yd Bench has been going for more than 12 years in AUS and since DWs 1000yd site closed down in 2003 there has never been an official document to view .. I think it's about time,how about you..JR..Jeff Rogers

As the 1k match is shot under the NRAA I would expect that the onus of maintaining records would fall to that group ????

Rinso wrote:As the 1k match is shot under the NRAA I would expect that the onus of maintaining records would fall to that group ????

Well Dave that made me start the day with a good laugh.
I don't think anyone outside the actual shooters seem to care about a record data base.Least not one I can find the ones Jeff put up from time to time seem to be the only stuff floating about.
cheers

Does this mean you are volunteering Jeff?

Jeff

Hi Macca,Dave and JJeff, Yes i guess it is the responsibility of the New sanction to post the records ,but i can't find the official ones .. Just reading between the lines i think some places and or persons will have a set of records that recognize everywhere but Nth QLD tucked away in a shoe box .. I have the Best Ever recorded groups and scores on file that have been shot so far regardless of location but that's just the best maybe not the records as seen by some ..This includes the 10 match yearly averages ,which don;t even get a mention in the rules , i guess that the 10 target results have been recorded since 1999 in AUS and 1967 in the US doesn't mean anything ... I'd just like to see them printed somewhere as i believe it's simple things like a chart showing the best records Australia's done can enthuse competitors to go the extra mile in effort and time and money spent, to knock the tall poppy's of the perch so to speak .. But hell hey 'it's just an opinion..JR..Jeff Rogers

Surely it would be as simple as a ring around to each club official and comPile the records ?

Maybe we should approach Keith about having a permanent header thread in 'Shooting Sports' dedicated to the current numbers? Shouldn't be hard to do, and we can change as the records do.

Jeff

Hi all , Found some Aust Records from 2003 .. Last lot of official AUS records so i guess they still stand .. This was off the now defunct 1000yd Benchrest site that was conducted by David Waters , hard to find now ,Guess some guru swallowed it all up .. Matter of fact i still got some certificates around here some where given to me back when the waters weren't so muddy

a.JR wrote:Just reading between the lines i think some places and or persons will have a set of records that recognize everywhere but Nth QLD tucked away in a shoe box ..

I hear a tiny violin over here playing for you.....

Seriously, nobody is ignoring records from ANY club. Your thoughts on that I would say are WAY off base, and records set anywhere are recognised. Not everybody is out to get you, apart from those guys in the white coats if the paranoid delusions continue.

The issue is that nobody has bothered to keep and compile records. People complain about it all the time but don't want to do it themselves, and the records kept by individual clubs has probably been spotty at best. Townsville seem to be about the only club that have kept pretty tidy records of 10 target averages and the like for any reasonable period of time. For the other clubs, the simple fact is that the info just isn't there, or is really patchy when the info can be found. At best I could get the stuff together for Canberra since I have been maintaining scores, but that has only been 3 years since the job was handed over to me.

In the end, unless people are willing to take the KNOWN info as records, and start proper record keeping from the beginning of next year, it's going to turn into another childish internet mud slinging match. Something I'm not interested in because I'm about done with the politics and stupid games of it all.

So, unless all clubs are willing to start with records for small group and high scoring target for each class, and wipe the rest of the slate clean unless other records can be filled in reliably, you're going to hit a dead end with this.

Well Mick,

I guess that is the whole point, we see results from ND, results from Canberra, but the results from Brisbane are very patchy. I don't think it should get political either, but at the end of the day, we need a central point for the records, whether that be a person or server like Ausvarmint.
In terms of the claim that some individuals don't seem to want to recognize what has been done in Townsville, I can actually confirm what JR has said, to the point that one member of Brisbane actually accused us of not adhering to the rules, with the implication that our results were invalid. I'm not going to name names on here, as we don't need the shit storm, but I am willing to offer proof if you PM me.

Jeff

justjeff wrote:In terms of the claim that some individuals don't seem to want to recognize what has been done in Townsville, I can actually confirm what JR has said, to the point that one member of Brisbane actually accused us of not adhering to the rules, with the implication that our results were invalid. I'm not going to name names on here, as we don't need the shit storm, but I am willing to offer proof if you PM me.

Jeff

There's always one or two I guess, and people making comments like that to be antagonistic wankers deserve to be ignored. Acknowledging their comments only gets you into their game. Don't play and they can't win. You can pretty much rest assured that everybody else recognises any records set in Townsville. I'd personally say with how seriously the Townsville guys seem to take the 1K, they would be the least likely to be cheating.

Mick , Thanks for the tiny virtuoso and back ground noise but you have solved nothing .. Why is it so fuckin hard for everbody else to keep records ,we do it here in the Nth.. Every target shot by every shooter since 2000 is available to anybody who cares , to see.. There are records held and recorded for every sport across the whole world at a club ,national and international level, the reason i think it is that way, is because it give's the old and new something to aspire to .. If they are not recorded ,what IS the reason ??.. I started this post after asking the NRAA rep what or if there was going to be AUST 1000yd Benchrest records , his answer is he had no idea and moreover sounded like he didn't care.. So i asked here .. Like it or lump it i think there should be a full set of AUST records too, that encompasses all the clubs going all the way back to the start ..JR..Jeff Rogers

Mick wrote:

a.JR wrote:Just reading between the lines i think some places and or persons will have a set of records that recognize everywhere but Nth QLD tucked away in a shoe box ..

I hear a tiny violin over here playing for you.....

Seriously, nobody is ignoring records from ANY club. Your thoughts on that I would say are WAY off base, and records set anywhere are recognised. Not everybody is out to get you, apart from those guys in the white coats if the paranoid delusions continue.

The issue is that nobody has bothered to keep and compile records. People complain about it all the time but don't want to do it themselves, and the records kept by individual clubs has probably been spotty at best. Townsville seem to be about the only club that have kept pretty tidy records of 10 target averages and the like for any reasonable period of time. For the other clubs, the simple fact is that the info just isn't there, or is really patchy when the info can be found. At best I could get the stuff together for Canberra since I have been maintaining scores, but that has only been 3 years since the job was handed over to me.

In the end, unless people are willing to take the KNOWN info as records, and start proper record keeping from the beginning of next year, it's going to turn into another childish internet mud slinging match. Something I'm not interested in because I'm about done with the politics and stupid games of it all.

So, unless all clubs are willing to start with records for small group and high scoring target for each class, and wipe the rest of the slate clean unless other records can be filled in reliably, you're going to hit a dead end with this.

I would have to agree with Rinso in that the governing body for 1K BR is the NRAA so they should administer the records. This however requires a commitment from each and every club that shoots the match supply their results to enable this record keeping.

Mick wrote:At best I could get the stuff together for Canberra since I have been maintaining scores, but that has only been 3 years since the job was handed over to me.

If not and it is left to the individual clubs then there is a significant risk to the loss of information as outlined by Mick in his post.

So the records thing is on again. Truth be known, if the NRAA was to set a rules standard for records and eligibility, Townsville will be instantly excluded simply because we are not an NRAA affiliate. And the truth of that is that the NQRA tried desperately to have us not join their association as they feared we would overrun the Townsville Marksmans Club. They wanted our money and the security of more members, but didn't want to have to allocate us days to shoot or accommodate us in any way. The final straw that prevented us from going the NRAA route was that the Secretary at that time informed us that there would be no way any non NRAA members could compete because of constraints within the insurance provided. Something i wonder about if it were to ever have to be tested in other parts of the country. The SSAA did not have this little clause, so we went with them. So those of you that think we are a bunch of mavericks wishing to do it our own way on our own terms are very mistaken. This has been by need, not by nature and a lot of the reason why we took great exception to that lard arsed lazy fuck with the walking cane down south fucking with the rules which resulted in us loosing a years worth of matches. Just because he could. Just another SSAA drone.

It is pretty clear to me that the mindset of the NQ shooters is completely different to the rest of the country, so i see no point in badgering others as it will ultimately lead to total alienation. A set of records if compiled, will not have one single entry from any Townsville shooter. So be careful what you wish for as it may make someone else happy. Personally i see Townsville ending up like Pennsylvania in the US, finished like it started but always out on its own as I cannot foresee any circumstance that would have us enter the NRAA.

a.JR wrote:Mick , Thanks for the tiny virtuoso and back ground noise but you have solved nothing .. Why is it so fuckin hard for everbody else to keep records ,we do it here in the Nth.. Every target shot by every shooter since 2000 is available to anybody who cares , to see..

I wasn't here to solve anything Jeff, I was here to tell it like it is.. If you don't like it, you can either build a time machine and go back and make sure everybody keeps records like you guys have, or quit harping on about it and taking underhanded digs at every other club.

Shit, you wonder why you are sidelined and so many people make an effort to discredit you....

Simply, there has to be a collaborative effort to get these records together, rather than whining like little bitches on the internet. I'm more than happy to work with anybody on getting together any info I can and setting that down as record. I can't pull info I don't have out of my arse, and neither can the scorekeepers from other clubs.

How's this sound?
No bitching, no whining, no childish digs at other clubs, no affiliation bullshit and no being a general fucking bell end. We knock together what we can and set it down as the current records for 1K in general and work from there? I even suggest that if Townsville are the only club with 10 target averages and score aggs that have been recorded, that theirs stand as the official records.

Officially it may differ, but as 1K shooters we can keep our own records as the associations don't seem to give a rats. What counts is that WE know who holds the record and has done the best.