Regards Chris.
The Inherently Accurate Cartridge!
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chris.tyne
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Chris i rarely test for groups or aggs with any of my LR barrels at 1 or 200 yards. I do most testing at 500 and 300 as a minimum if the conditions are crap. On some occasions we have done testing at 1000 yards, but this is very rare but certainly beneficial.
Dave i think you have said it right. BUT.......... i would say that inherently accurate is in bullets, barrels, brass to a point and then all the way down to the trigger puller. But inherently accurate at the target, for a five or ten shotter, is in the pressure time curve, no matter what the cartridge or the range. For small groups and high scores, it is simply pressure and time. Forgiving the conditions of course.
Tony Z.
Dave i think you have said it right. BUT.......... i would say that inherently accurate is in bullets, barrels, brass to a point and then all the way down to the trigger puller. But inherently accurate at the target, for a five or ten shotter, is in the pressure time curve, no matter what the cartridge or the range. For small groups and high scores, it is simply pressure and time. Forgiving the conditions of course.
Tony Z.
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woob614271
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Kenny
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WELL.......I was going to reply to this with a FIGHT YOU BASTARDS 
but I think maybe not ....... I now think it just confirms what a never ending source of entertainment this forum provides
Lets take a step back and look at the word....'inherent' just what does it mean ?
I always thought it meant something created from the best of several designs or of good blood line...sort of thing.
Hmmmmm WRONG KY
(no surprises there)According to a google search it means -
"Existing as an essential characteristic" or "The good existing in a person according to some religions"
So I draw conclusion that this tem means sweet FA that is actual fact and reinforces what Rinso has already said
It's all in the eye of the beholder Soooo I am more confused now than ever...thanks fella's
KY
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Klicker
- .17 HMR
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Kenny,
I think the guys have lost there way a bit here,
I think they all need read this too.
http://www.m-w.com/dictionary/inherent
so therefore 30-30 is not inherantly accurate, nobody here would say that a 30-30 out of the box is an inherantly accurate cartrdige after reading the actual defenition of the word, there are probably many others that where rubbish as well but I can't think of any right now
Inherantly accurate cartdridges are (to me, after reading the actual meaning) is something that shoots well right out of the box, before us long range shooters spend rediculours amounts of time sorting, batching and d!cking around with the many laborious and sometimes tedious process we go through to extract maximum from a cartridges.. However some will respond better to this treatment to others.
Therefore AJR may acutally be right 300AI is inherantly accurate IMHO, but so too is 6BR. Everyone knows that if a .222 isn't shooting well its the driver or a really really bad load. Any reasonably load in 222 is going to shoot well and is therefore inherantly accurate.
Just my thoughts and I think the question was either seriously baited hook for us "pop gunners" or just needs to be redirected.
Just my lowly 2c worth
PS.. so does anyone want to define the now incredibly loose term "accurate"?
I think the guys have lost there way a bit here,
I think they all need read this too.
http://www.m-w.com/dictionary/inherent
so therefore 30-30 is not inherantly accurate, nobody here would say that a 30-30 out of the box is an inherantly accurate cartrdige after reading the actual defenition of the word, there are probably many others that where rubbish as well but I can't think of any right now
Inherantly accurate cartdridges are (to me, after reading the actual meaning) is something that shoots well right out of the box, before us long range shooters spend rediculours amounts of time sorting, batching and d!cking around with the many laborious and sometimes tedious process we go through to extract maximum from a cartridges.. However some will respond better to this treatment to others.
Therefore AJR may acutally be right 300AI is inherantly accurate IMHO, but so too is 6BR. Everyone knows that if a .222 isn't shooting well its the driver or a really really bad load. Any reasonably load in 222 is going to shoot well and is therefore inherantly accurate.
Just my thoughts and I think the question was either seriously baited hook for us "pop gunners" or just needs to be redirected.
Just my lowly 2c worth
PS.. so does anyone want to define the now incredibly loose term "accurate"?
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Ackley Improved
- 6mm Dasher
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So your putting on a muzzle brake...... and thats the reason for not shooting in Fly. Of course, if Fly were allowed muzzle brakes, I think there would be a great deal of different calibers in LG. Magnums would not be uncommon.
Shoot it without a muzzle brake......... because really, with one the rifle will handle like a 6.5-284, or even better! Down this way there is no 600yds, and 1000yds is not shot much... so if it aint in Fly, its not in comparison.
Cheers
AI
Shoot it without a muzzle brake......... because really, with one the rifle will handle like a 6.5-284, or even better! Down this way there is no 600yds, and 1000yds is not shot much... so if it aint in Fly, its not in comparison.
Cheers
AI
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Kenny
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Klicker,
jeez it seems it can be perceived in a lot of ways.....here's one of the explanations I found
http://www.thefreedictionary.com/inherent
Seems the dudes who write dictionaries can't even agree on it
I have it sorted in my own twisted mind.....inherently accurate cartridges all share the same characteristics....yep they are all accurate
All the stuff around today is pretty much tweaked and is really 'designer label' kinda thing...just doing the job it was designed for.
As much as I love the 222, it's days are over pretty much as PPC dominates short range competitions. I am pretty certain all Aus short range records are held by PPC's or a variant of it.
But... it does not stop people from trying to make a 'better mousetrap'
I really admire these people for their efforts and sometimes they get it right. Who knows just how much things will develop in the future
I think long range design is a LOT harder as.... as far as I know there is no one cartridge leading the way...yet, maybe the Redneck is it...jeez he will be a PITA then hey
JR,
Don't go racing out building a gun to prove yourself ole' fella...we already know you know
KY
jeez it seems it can be perceived in a lot of ways.....here's one of the explanations I found
http://www.thefreedictionary.com/inherent
Seems the dudes who write dictionaries can't even agree on it
I have it sorted in my own twisted mind.....inherently accurate cartridges all share the same characteristics....yep they are all accurate
All the stuff around today is pretty much tweaked and is really 'designer label' kinda thing...just doing the job it was designed for.
As much as I love the 222, it's days are over pretty much as PPC dominates short range competitions. I am pretty certain all Aus short range records are held by PPC's or a variant of it.
But... it does not stop people from trying to make a 'better mousetrap'
I really admire these people for their efforts and sometimes they get it right. Who knows just how much things will develop in the future
I think long range design is a LOT harder as.... as far as I know there is no one cartridge leading the way...yet, maybe the Redneck is it...jeez he will be a PITA then hey
JR,
Don't go racing out building a gun to prove yourself ole' fella...we already know you know
KY
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Klicker
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Its all open to interpretation isn't it any wonder I failed english!!Kenny wrote:Klicker,
jeez it seems it can be perceived in a lot of ways.....here's one of the explanations I found
http://www.thefreedictionary.com/inherent
Seems the dudes who write dictionaries can't even agree on it
What, Calfee didn't mention "tuner" in a perfect oppurtunity like that. Well fuck me dead.
When Calfee builds something that shoots further than 50 yards, thousands of shooters both here and in the US may then take an interest. He has done so much mouthing off that i think that it is well and truly time for him to put his money where his mouth has been for the last few years.
Tony Z.
When Calfee builds something that shoots further than 50 yards, thousands of shooters both here and in the US may then take an interest. He has done so much mouthing off that i think that it is well and truly time for him to put his money where his mouth has been for the last few years.
Tony Z.
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Mick
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Ideas using simple physics translate no matter how far you are shooting. Basic laws of physics apply shooting 10 yards or 10 light years. People dont seem to be understanding that, and rather hang shit on a guy who has built more winning rifles than they have had hot meals.
I'm pretty sure he has tested what he is saying before he gets out into public with it. He's not stupid, just insane. I reckon it's up to the detractors to prove him wrong more than anything.
I'm pretty sure he has tested what he is saying before he gets out into public with it. He's not stupid, just insane. I reckon it's up to the detractors to prove him wrong more than anything.
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Ackley Improved
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Why the hell would I be hiding? Are you that ugly? I shoot as many competitions as I can, because I enjoy just shooting. Hence I have a rifle for Fly, F Class Open, F Class standard, FT/R, 600yds, 1000yds, 100/200yds, and anything else I can shoot at!
Started getting the bits together for the next rifle... and guess what.. its a 30cal magnum.... but in 300WSM, and it wont see any competition work. Just trying to smash critters at some extended ranges, so another tactical rifle!
If you feel that I am one sided towards the 6mmBR and Improved versions, you are very wrong. I shoot what I want to shoot, and in the future I may go to a larger case. I do not recommend the 6mmBR or Improved versions to anyone, but will tell how it has performed for me. But for now, it is working, so why would I change?
Why are some calibers harder to get to shoot than others? Instance, using your favourite caliber, the 6mmBR with a 107 with 28grains of 2208 and a match barrel, many many have recorded below 0.4" groups. Are all calibers the same as this?
CHeers
AI
(dont you hate when you hit that bloody insert button, and since I got to look at the keyboard.... its types over what I have written FFS)
Started getting the bits together for the next rifle... and guess what.. its a 30cal magnum.... but in 300WSM, and it wont see any competition work. Just trying to smash critters at some extended ranges, so another tactical rifle!
If you feel that I am one sided towards the 6mmBR and Improved versions, you are very wrong. I shoot what I want to shoot, and in the future I may go to a larger case. I do not recommend the 6mmBR or Improved versions to anyone, but will tell how it has performed for me. But for now, it is working, so why would I change?
Why are some calibers harder to get to shoot than others? Instance, using your favourite caliber, the 6mmBR with a 107 with 28grains of 2208 and a match barrel, many many have recorded below 0.4" groups. Are all calibers the same as this?
CHeers
AI
(dont you hate when you hit that bloody insert button, and since I got to look at the keyboard.... its types over what I have written FFS)