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singleshot wrote:
HiWall wrote:I have had the scope out of the box about 10 times in the last 4 hours - can't wait to set it all up and go shooting.

Anyone have a good basic load for 6.5x284 & 140gr SMK's - was thinking of working up from 43gr AR2209, WLR primer, Nosler brass & about 5 thou off the lands. Would 120's be better for the extra velocity?
I use 47.5g 2209 with Lapua brass and 142g SMK's. No pressure issues.

Hope this helps,
Cameron
Thanks Cameron, will give that a run as well. Hope to catch up with you around the ranges somewhere - my jaunt to India put all my shooting on hold for a while but I am getting the urge to have a real go at this long range stuff.

Still have the .22/250 Ackley, haven't used it much but it will be getting a run pretty soon.

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Dave, sorry i've taken so long to get back on this one.

The Savage is real good in a lot of respects, and not so good in others. The receiver itself is as good as any and is very well machined for a mass produced item. The same can be said of the bolt. I read on 6 BR.com recently that an action of one of the Guns of the Week guys, was sent away to a smith to time the pin and bolt opening/cocking piece. The advise there was wrong as the Savage both new and old has a threaded pin that can set the sear roller and cocking piece timing in a few minutes. I have done my FTR and it is as good, if not better than on an action you pay a shitload for.
The downside of the Savage 12 target actions is that although the trigger is way better than those of past generations, it is designed in such a manner that does not allow a conventional gluein like you and i have grown accustomed to using. They have to be pillar bedded or something similar. I could if i really wanted to glue one in, but the stock would have to have major sections machined or carved out to enable trigger removal. The trigger itself is very good for a factory offering, but in no way is it a patch on something like a Jewell or Shilen etc. If these actions that Savage are making had the 700 style pin removable triggers, and the likes of Jewells could be fitted, these actions would be selling by the millions. I hope one of their techs is reading this and takes note as it would transform the company overnight way beyond what it has already achieved with its current offerings. The floating bolt head design that Savage and Omark have used for eons, has been recently tested in a host of custom actions with Stiller being the most recent, and all have said that there is a decided accuracy advantage in such a configuration. The cycling, cocking, firing and extraction of the Savage is not like any factory action and not like most good custom actions, but somewhere in between both. As far as accuracy goes, you and i both know this comes down to the whole package, but my FTR in 308 is very competitive amongst Barnards and other TR FClass rifles costing 5 to 7K.
I have had a close look at converting one of these to 700 style sears and triggers, but doubt the effort would be woth it. I just have to get my head around a 4 to 6 ounce trigger in a conventionally pillar bedded rifle. With the left port and right bolt option available, this action could be used to run a very good competitive LR rifle. Maybe even a point blanker if you get one of the good aftermarket triggers available.
At $759 this action with trigger and trigger bow is a very good unit and anyone who turns their nose up at one in favour of a Diamondback, could get that nose out of joint.

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I agree with you tony, they must be the buy of the century for anyone getting started in comp. and the quality of workmanship is pretty hard to believe for the price.
Much as I love my winnies, after playing with the savage target action and researching some of the results coming out of the US, I am seriously doing the sums.
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Tony,

thanks for that mate .. they sound like a really good option for any number of projects and at that price you can certainly save some shekels over a custom action.

Now I will have to get one, maybe for a 25BR I have considered for a run in short range BR (just to annoy the PPC boys really)

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Post by Tony Z »

Dave you and i should get together on the 25 cal. As you probably know i have had a soft spot for them for years. The 25 BR project of my own has a reamer, barrel and projectiles ready to go. All i need is time which in recent years is getting harder to get.

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Rinso,

25br for S/R benchrest aah....cant get you to a shoot with your 6ppc...its already been done by Dave Billinghurst so you might see it at Silverdale if you ever decide to come and have a go.

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HiWall wrote:I have had the scope out of the box about 10 times in the last 4 hours - can't wait to set it all up and go shooting.

Anyone have a good basic load for 6.5x284 & 140gr SMK's - was thinking of working up from 43gr AR2209, WLR primer, Nosler brass & about 5 thou off the lands. Would 120's be better for the extra velocity?
In my 6.5/284 I run 50gr of 2213 with a 142 SMK and get around 2850. Most others that I shoot with are around this and up to 51.5gr 2213

Jugs
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I shoot F class on weekends and have a Mosberg 7.62 * 51 mm (308win) and use a BSA Contender scope (6-24 * 40) scope and it is a wicked combination. mounted on a weaver rail.
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Post by AlanF »

Jugs wrote:...In my 6.5/284 I run 50gr of 2213 with a 142 SMK and get around 2850. Most others that I shoot with are around this and up to 51.5gr 2213...
Jugs,

My latest lot of 2213SC (500gn bottles only available now) needed much more than previously. In a 6.5-284, 1:8T, 30" Krieger, I need approx 53gn for 2950fps. So its more expensive and less fps to the grain. :?

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Post by Mick »

Suckers!
47.6 of 2209 gets my 6.5x55AI running 139's up to 2950 out of a 30 inch barrel.
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Mick,

If I was doing the 6.5 thing again, I probably would choose a 6.5x55, perhaps not a full AI, but with the steep shoulder and retain the original body taper. That would be about the optimum case capacity for 6.5mm 140gn class projectiles IMHO. But I have too much invested in dies and reamers to change now. Better to be on the large size than the other way - just costs a little more to run.

Alan
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steven,
25br for S/R benchrest aah....cant get you to a shoot with your 6ppc...its already been done by Dave Billinghurst so you might see it at Silverdale if you ever decide to come and have a go.
Mate I will get to a short range shoot eventually .. I had origanlly planned on having been at Canberra but just struggle for time these days ... and the 6PPC is still sittting waiting for me to do a load work up. The young blokes 6x47Lapua has landed from Mr Clancy's and I have been put under a bit of pressure to get that up and running. Also now trying to oragnise a new range for 600 & 1000 yd, shooting a bit of F class for practice and have my heavy gun in pieces (better get that sorted soon)

I am hoping to get to silverdale for a match this year. 25BR interests me because I think it will work but I can also see it performing other duties outside BR. If it works I can sell all this PPC crap.

cheers
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